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Bully Modding Section => Modding Questions/Help => Modding Questions/Help Archives => Topic started by: Peachrocks on November 11, 2011, 01:19:32 AM
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Hey,
I kinda wanna learn how to mod myself but its lost on me. I looked briefly over the modding tutorial thread but... uhhhh... yeah...
For one, what sort of hex editor would you guys recommend. I tried it about a month ago, and... it didn't work out (eep). So this time I'm sucking pride up and asking for help... sooo...
I guess I should list what I'd like to start of with...
1. Ethan skin + Standard bully style (not Russell)
2. Jerry skin + Townie style
3. Weather changing magic
I sorta wanna learn to do it myself than someone doing it for me... but... eh, it's not a big deal either way.
Thanks.
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first of all thanks for checking the threads out, so many people just make topics without doing so or even trying, and it gets annoying after a while >:(, also I would like to know what bit of the modding thread were you stuck on as clearly it will need work if you and others can't follow the tuts as the whole purpose of those tuts was to remedy these sort of posts... I would like some feedback if possible, as the threads not getting anything neither negative or positive so we don't know entirely where we're going wrong with it.
I personally use HxD hex editor, Hex workshop isn't bad either anyway here are some new tuts, just follow these step for step and you will be ok...
Skin:
1.) Open World.img in ImgTool (or you could use madmans tool)
2.) Press f2 or ctrl+f or w/e the search button is in the program your using and search for your skin (these skins are named at the beginning of each ped seperatly from this in the ide.img ie
(here for normal skin) (here for winter skin)
"NDLead_Earnest..NDlead_Earnest_W........Medium..NERD..*etc*"
so if you wanted earnest winter skin you would search for Earnests and look for "NDlead_Earnest_W" (some peds have different names for the skins, so for this search the ide for that peds name eg "Gary" as a example and look for the texture names as shown above with earnest and you will see Garys skin is called "Nemesis" which you will then search in world.img)
3.) Once your chosen ped is found in world.img, Extract NDlead_Earnest_W.nif AND NDlead_Earnest_W.nft, (extract BOTH to a new folder, each skin has a .nif AND a .nft)
4.) Copy and paste these 3 times each in the folder so you have 8 files in total; 4.nif and 4.nft each of the same name.
5.) Now you will need to delete the clothing your replacing the skin for, I'll use the red ninja outfit as a example. (you will need to delete SP_NinjaR_FT.nif, SP_NinjaR_H.nif, SP_NinjaR_L.nif, SP_NinjaR_T.nif, SP_NinjaR_FT.nft, SP_NinjaR_H.nft, SP_NinjaR_L.nft and SP_NinjaR_T.nft) you need to delete all 8 of these items the .nif's and the .nft's from the archive of world.img making sure NOT TO DELETE the ones with CS_ at the beggining otherwise your world.img is fucked basicly.)
6.) go back to your new folder with the extracted NDlead_Earnest_W.nifs and .nfts, change these to the ones you deleted in step 5 in the world.img so you will have the files renamed to;
SP_NinjaR_FT.nif
SP_NinjaR_FT.nft
SP_NinjaR_H.nif
SP_NinjaR_H.nft
etc
7.) add these files to world.img in imgtool by pressing ctrl+a or going to commands and pressing add
8.) load the game, go to the wardrobe and put the red ninja costume on.
Fighting styles
I will do this soon, for now i would suggest searching on google or youtube
Weather
I haven't delved too much into this, but i will post a descent tut up when i get time, if you mean getting it back to winter i would reccommend using my "hidden interior flags" mod
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first of all thanks for checking the threads out, so many people just make topics without doing so or even trying, and it gets annoying after a while >:(, also I would like to know what bit of the modding thread were you stuck on as clearly it will need work if you and others can't follow the tuts as the whole purpose of those tuts was to remedy these sort of posts... I would like some feedback if possible, as the threads not getting anything neither negative or positive so we don't know entirely where we're going wrong with it.
My guess is you're not getting feedback because people are too shy to admit they aren't getting it and don't want to feel like idiots. I guess I believe in that someone who is intelligent will speak up about stuff they don't know to try understand but believe me when the position has been the reverse and I'm trying to get people to understand something others might find complex, I know what it's like not to figure out why you don't think you're getting through even though people haven't said so.
Alternatively people are shy of sounding critical to something you've put a lot of effort into.
Truth be told, I find it a tad overwhelming all the stuff you got there and it is a bit walls of text like. Now that doesn't put me off, but the presentation could be a touch better and easier to understand.
You tell us what everything means when using Earnest as an example, but there's some jargon speak which automatically puts people off learning even if what you're saying makes sense and they can understand it.
Anyway... I'll try be more constructive later but that's just a start. I'll see how this goes...
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hmmm thanks for this constructive feedback, so generally tidy up the chapters and get rid of the intimidating layout and maybe get a few screenshots to help with the tuts?
what about the understanding of some of these mods that are up? like how the stuffs explained would it be better in steps instead like the skin one ive posted in this thread?
also good luck with your mods
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When I've got a bit more time I'll dig in and let you know. I'm unusually busy next few days.
Mind you what you've got is very much in the development stage which makes it hard to get feedback on it because it's not complete yet and there are changes to be made. I wouldn't worry about it until you're a bit further along with your tutorials but I'll give you what I can.
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ok thanks for this peachrocks, i think thats all thats missing from the thread just a few tuts here and their, but most of if not all of whats on their is the full version, i just havn't had time to sort it out, reds been busy, and me and mad have been worked close to death with our little ped mods.
i would search on youtube for now for a fighting styles video their is a few up their, once again nice one
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My guess is you're not getting feedback because people are too shy to admit they aren't getting it and don't want to feel like idiots.
Alternatively people are shy of sounding critical to something you've put a lot of effort into.
I'm going to agree on this as it kind of goes for me. Not being a very good modder myself (I can add and remove characters from the game, but that's about it), I'm a tad bit afraid of asking for help on whatever it is I don't understand. The amount of expert modders here is a bit intimidating to me and I fear they'd get frustrated at me for not being able to grasp the basics.
Truth be told, I find it a tad overwhelming all the stuff you got there and it is a bit walls of text like. Now that doesn't put me off, but the presentation could be a touch better and easier to understand.
You tell us what everything means when using Earnest as an example, but there's some jargon speak which automatically puts people off learning even if what you're saying makes sense and they can understand it.
Reading through what you posted, it was a little overwhelming, like I was reading alien language at times. There were some things you could have expanded a little bit more on. For any newbie who wishes to mod, they might want to know what Imgtool is, or where to find these files, and know what exactly a ped or pedstat is. A lot of the terms you have written down would make sense to the more advanced modders, but not necessarily for the newcomers. Or maybe I just need a dictionary.
Mind you what you've got is very much in the development stage which makes it hard to get feedback on it because it's not complete yet and there are changes to be made. I wouldn't worry about it until you're a bit further along with your tutorials but I'll give you what I can.
Tell ya what, this thread (http://bully-board.com/index.php?topic=14726.0) is going to be amazing once completed. But as Peach as stated, there's not a lot to review there since it's still in the works.
I understand that the three of you are working on your own little things and have little to no time to update it in bulk. So really, there's no, "Roar, get this done right now," kind of pressure from me. It's simple to see that there's a lot of work to do over there and the three of you are busy. Anybody who wants to see that completed by tomorrow will have to suck it up. :p
As one last little side note, I'm not super interested in modding the game considering I can't play it due to lovely CTD bugs. So please don't worry about me not speaking up if I want to be able to do X, as I haven't bothered to attempt anything. The only thing that really piques my interest is changing skins, which you've already explained here.
All in all, you boys are doing a fine job. ❤ What you've stated here isn't necessarily bad, if that's the impression you're getting from me/Peach. I um. I just wish I had a better comprehension of what exactly this or that is if I ever choose to mod the game.
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Well....in reply to you Hayley, I can see where you are comming from and I will be totally honest with you....am honest anyways but still....always remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question! It doesnt matter if everyone else may think that said question is common knowledge and that it is a sin to ask such of someone. I personally have a near unlimited amount of patience so I am more then glad to break thing down and explain everything to whomever asks, am even willing to do one on one deals using teamviewer to remotely show how to do certain things...etc so the person asking for help can have a better grasp since I do know from personal experience...not everyone has the same abilities when it comes to various things in life. and what is simple for one...can be extremely difficult for another so please please dont worry about irritating me or making me mad for asking questions...even if its the same question over and over...lol
As to my personal tutorials, I do plan to update every one of them with screenshots showing exactly what to do since I have found that it makes things so much easier for ppl to see pictures of what to do rather then near endless amounts of text since some ppl dont have the time to read a ton and would just alike a quick simple solution...which is in all fairness...the goal I and some others here are working towards. Just the hard thing is on my end I have been trying to help get the modding community going like I did for the gta modding communities for san andreas and vice city as well as being a promenint modder for the hl2 modding community as well (somewhat inactive now) and it is kinda a lot to take in all at once and even with the help of Steman, Red, bullyimod123 and insanitygames not to mention others that have since stepped forward with ideas...etc. It is a very uncharted terriroty and noone will have all the answers until things are figured out so, what I am trying to say is....we are just making this up as we go along....lol
but if you want hayley, just add me if u use steam or xfire (pm me if you use both and want to contact me easier) and if you need help with anything regarding bully I can take the time to explain everything in a easier format. This offer goes to anyone wanting help but I will only be able to concentrate on one person at at time due to the massive amount of work I have ahead of me.
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I'm naturally afraid of being shunned if I don't comprehend something after asking a billion times.
That, and I'm a bit stubborn and don't ask for help often. : p
Screenshots would be wonderful to have. Having something visually to check if you're doing something right or not could be useful. I took a peek at World.img earlier and um. Yeah. The Never Ending Wall of Text™ was scary haha. I even had to use screenshots to see if I was adding characters into the game correctly. Handy for anybody who opened ide.img up and closed it immediately for not knowing where to begin.
But again, I'm in absolutely no rush to see you guys get screenshots done, or expand on the other topic, ect. I'm aware that you guys are caught up in your own projects right now and those are going to take a while to finish.
As for contacting you on Steam, I shall decline. As I've stated, Bully PC is unplayable for me so yeah. I don't see the point in modding if I can't really play the game. ; D
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Fair enough 8)
But wanted to put that offer out there anyways since in the end, I am just here to have fun and help anyone that needs help providing it is withing my power.
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Okay got the skin replacement to work.
Ethan is one of those people who isnt listed by name so I'll have to find him later so I used Jerry.
It works except he's got Jimmy's face with his mouth wide open. He looks like Jerry's smaller retarded brother who I've nicknamed Jirry. Sorta funny...
Still I kept the files and replaced them back into the file and kept the ninja outfit as it was. So if anything I'm mostly cool with skin replacements except for this minor flaw.
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Sorta funny? It's freaking hilarious.
I may or may not still be laughing. :'D
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Okay got the skin replacement to work.
Ethan is one of those people who isnt listed by name so I'll have to find him later so I used Jerry.
It works except he's got Jimmy's face with his mouth wide open. He looks like Jerry's smaller retarded brother who I've nicknamed Jirry. Sorta funny...
Still I kept the files and replaced them back into the file and kept the ninja outfit as it was. So if anything I'm mostly cool with skin replacements except for this minor flaw.
It's easy to fix, and I explained it thoroughly and made it easy to understand in the ultimate modding thread.
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Okay got the skin replacement to work.
Ethan is one of those people who isnt listed by name so I'll have to find him later so I used Jerry.
It works except he's got Jimmy's face with his mouth wide open. He looks like Jerry's smaller retarded brother who I've nicknamed Jirry. Sorta funny...
Still I kept the files and replaced them back into the file and kept the ninja outfit as it was. So if anything I'm mostly cool with skin replacements except for this minor flaw.
It's easy to fix, and I explained it thoroughly and made it easy to understand in the ultimate modding thread.
Okay... where exactly did you put this explanation to deal with this particular flaw in that thread? *Idiot face*.
I looked over the skinning section in the ultimate modding thread and found an entire explanition but it wasn't written (or the main post wasn't edited) by you nor did it refer specfically to fix this issue so once again I'm missing something eeep.
The stuff that Steman didn't mention is all the stuff referring to the ide, so is this what I need to do? I just want to be super sure and understand it myself rather than just copying a list of instructions and not actually learning how the thing works.
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@red what i think peach and hayley are saying all and all (and rightly so) is that the "ultimate modding thread" is clearly too confusing in total for newcomers and some people in general and thus is null and void.
clearly the topic has great potential but needs a great deal of renovation to combat these crucial needs; what peach's trying to say about his mod is that the problem he has is with the bone glitch, (which you gathered) but the bone glitch isn't even up their!, it hasn't even been mentioned or explained in the fighting styles bit or even throughout the entire topic!, so basically the entire thread is useless to newcomers as of present. and this defeats the whole purpose of what we initially joined forces to make it for.
theirfore the problem is bigger than what we first though and the whole modding community is in jeopardy, after watching and being a part of the evolution of modding this game, I can clearly state that we are in dire need of newcomers to take this progress further than what it is as of present and this isn't going to be achieved if no one can understand these tutorials, as far as I'm aware their is only one savior to remedy this problem and it comes in the indispensable form of xf-madman, evidently his in depth and detailed tutorials have proved very successful both for newcomers and experienced modders and a complete renovation of this thread by him could achieve this. i think this is a case of "in mad we trust"
what we face here is a grave task which needs to be dealt with very rapidly, so just shunning this event off won't help in neither the short or long term, that said taking into account what Hayley said their is no urgent "get it done now" need, but the sooner the better.
what another problem is which peach has explained is that people have seen that we have bent over backwards and put a considerable amount of hard work in getting this thread up for the purpose of getting the modding community up and running and/or stopping trolls, and its good to see and finally get some feedback on this matter this is whats going to make this modding board a success story for newcomers, people discussing these problems openly without the fear of offending someone, but if that's the point whats been put across in the board then that's irresponsible of the active modders and this can be redeemed if we take this as a learning curve.
This said I think we do need to put in consideration that this thread is only a young pup in terms of age and their is much needed work which needs doing, we need to explain everything fully file for file including .ide files and how they work etc.
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Having done a few modding projects where I just design or make changes
and had a few iffy life experiences recently the thing I find is that most people who can figure this stuff out themselves have a talent of thinking a certain way which is what makes them interested in modding in the first place. However explaining the process to those who do not think this way isn't so easy.
Keep in mind the audience you are aiming at might give up fairly easily. They'll either ignore it and give up or pester you guys to do it for them. They just want it to be fun.
It's a bit lazy, but they just don't have the interest and want it to remain fun for them and that's the key word.
So Steman, what is the bone glitch? :P
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@Steman: I wonder how far MadmaN is in his redesign for the ultimate modding thread.
Okay got the skin replacement to work.
Ethan is one of those people who isnt listed by name so I'll have to find him later so I used Jerry.
It works except he's got Jimmy's face with his mouth wide open. He looks like Jerry's smaller retarded brother who I've nicknamed Jirry. Sorta funny...
Still I kept the files and replaced them back into the file and kept the ninja outfit as it was. So if anything I'm mostly cool with skin replacements except for this minor flaw.
It's easy to fix, and I explained it thoroughly and made it easy to understand in the ultimate modding thread.
Okay... where exactly did you put this explanation to deal with this particular flaw in that thread? *Idiot face*.
I looked over the skinning section in the ultimate modding thread and found an entire explanition but it wasn't written (or the main post wasn't edited) by you nor did it refer specfically to fix this issue so once again I'm missing something eeep.
The stuff that Steman didn't mention is all the stuff referring to the ide, so is this what I need to do? I just want to be super sure and understand it myself rather than just copying a list of instructions and not actually learning how the thing works.
I'll copy and paste what I have written in the modding thread:
I will use Gary as an example.
Okay, first back up the World and ide file.
Bear in mind, this process will also give you the Bullies fighting style.
Now then, first open the ide file with HxD, and then what you do is copy from "player...player" to "/Anim/Player.act.." And yes, including those dots at the end. But don't copy anything else. You have to be precise.
Then "paste insert" it into the character you want to replace. You want to play as Gary. So highlight the following: "Nemesis_Gary" until "/Anim/B_Striker_A.act....", then right-click and paste it on there.
Now open up the backup ide file, and copy from "Nemesis_Gary" until "/Anim/B_Striker_A.act...." and paste insert it in the first ide on "player" until "Player.act.."
Now just change STUDENT into PLAYER1 for Jimmy, and vice versa for Gary.
That finishes the ide work.
This'll make them look how they're supposed to.
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@red what i think peach and hayley are saying all and all (and rightly so) is that the "ultimate modding thread" is clearly too confusing in total for newcomers and some people in general and thus is null and void.
clearly the topic has great potential but needs a great deal of renovation to combat these crucial needs; what peach's trying to say about his mod is that the problem he has is with the bone glitch, (which you gathered) but the bone glitch isn't even up their!, it hasn't even been mentioned or explained in the fighting styles bit or even throughout the entire topic!, so basically the entire thread is useless to newcomers as of present. and this defeats the whole purpose of what we initially joined forces to make it for.
theirfore the problem is bigger than what we first though and the whole modding community is in jeopardy, after watching and being a part of the evolution of modding this game, I can clearly state that we are in dire need of newcomers to take this progress further than what it is as of present and this isn't going to be achieved if no one can understand these tutorials, as far as I'm aware their is only one savior to remedy this problem and it comes in the indispensable form of xf-madman, evidently his in depth and detailed tutorials have proved very successful both for newcomers and experienced modders and a complete renovation of this thread by him could achieve this. i think this is a case of "in mad we trust"
what we face here is a grave task which needs to be dealt with very rapidly, so just shunning this event off won't help in neither the short or long term, that said taking into account what Hayley said their is no urgent "get it done now" need, but the sooner the better.
what another problem is which peach has explained is that people have seen that we have bent over backwards and put a considerable amount of hard work in getting this thread up for the purpose of getting the modding community up and running and/or stopping trolls, and its good to see and finally get some feedback on this matter this is whats going to make this modding board a success story for newcomers, people discussing these problems openly without the fear of offending someone, but if that's the point whats been put across in the board then that's irresponsible of the active modders and this can be redeemed if we take this as a learning curve.
This said I think we do need to put in consideration that this thread is only a young pup in terms of age and their is much needed work which needs doing, we need to explain everything fully file for file including .ide files and how they work etc.
Okay got the skin replacement to work.
Ethan is one of those people who isnt listed by name so I'll have to find him later so I used Jerry.
It works except he's got Jimmy's face with his mouth wide open. He looks like Jerry's smaller retarded brother who I've nicknamed Jirry. Sorta funny...
Still I kept the files and replaced them back into the file and kept the ninja outfit as it was. So if anything I'm mostly cool with skin replacements except for this minor flaw.
The bone glitch is basicly whats happened here, where it messes the skin up and everything remains jimmys size, this can be fixed by modding ide.img in the way red has posted
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Yeah, I saw that comment, and I responded. Do you know how far MadmaN is with the thread redesign?
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lol thought you'd missed it with it being at the bottom of the last page, ...i'm not entirely certain how far on he is but he did say something about a possible preview tonight before scooting out, I checked some of his work out before and it does look pretty descent, but in terms of the writing out of the tuts i'm unsure, i know he plans on doing screenshots etc but thats about all i know, Lets just hope he can pull something good out of a bad situation.
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I looked over the skinning section in the ultimate modding thread and found an entire explanition but it wasn't written (or the main post wasn't edited) by you nor did it refer specfically to fix this issue so once again I'm missing something eeep.
Red, you're assuming that Peachrocks knows that's how to fix the problem when there's no indication that that step is necessary to make the skeleton appear normal, or what that step even does.
I think this kind of goes back to the whole "experienced modders understand what that does so there's no need to explain it much" type of thing I'm seeing, and so they continue marching forward in with tutorials in gibberish that newbies don't understand.
I just want to be super sure and understand it myself rather than just copying a list of instructions and not actually learning how the thing works.
If inexperienced modders have never done this before, how are they going to know how these things work and what they do? Especially when the tutorials don't elaborate on these things. If you guys are looking for constructive criticism, you need to listen to us. I'm not just speaking for Peach and myself, but for new modders as a whole who might think these same thoughts. You're giving incomplete explanations because you understand it and therefore feel it's not worth explaining in great detail. Everything seems to revolve around the small group of advanced modders who recognize this stuff like the back of their hand, which is unfair to those who don't know what anything means.
I'm sorry if this makes me sound like a bitch, but it's the blunt truth. If you guys really are looking to help out the newbies, you really have to sit down and dumb it down a lot so they can understand what exactly is going on.
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@red what i think peach and Hayley are saying all and all (and rightly so) is that the "ultimate modding thread" is clearly too confusing in total for newcomers and some people in general and thus is null and void.
clearly the topic has great potential but needs a great deal of renovation to combat these crucial needs; what peach's trying to say about his mod is that the problem he has is with the bone glitch, (which you gathered) but the bone glitch isn't even up their!, it hasn't even been mentioned or explained in the fighting styles bit or even throughout the entire topic!, so basically the entire thread is useless to newcomers as of present. and this defeats the whole purpose of what we initially joined forces to make it for.
theirfore the problem is bigger than what we first though and the whole modding community is in jeopardy, after watching and being a part of the evolution of modding this game, I can clearly state that we are in dire need of newcomers to take this progress further than what it is as of present and this isn't going to be achieved if no one can understand these tutorials, as far as I'm aware their is only one savior to remedy this problem and it comes in the indispensable form of xf-madman, evidently his in depth and detailed tutorials have proved very successful both for newcomers and experienced modders and a complete renovation of this thread by him could achieve this. i think this is a case of "in mad we trust"
what we face here is a grave task which needs to be dealt with very rapidly, so just shunning this event off won't help in neither the short or long term, that said taking into account what Hayley said their is no urgent "get it done now" need, but the sooner the better.
what another problem is which peach has explained is that people have seen that we have bent over backwards and put a considerable amount of hard work in getting this thread up for the purpose of getting the modding community up and running and/or stopping trolls, and its good to see and finally get some feedback on this matter this is whats going to make this modding board a success story for newcomers, people discussing these problems openly without the fear of offending someone, but if that's the point whats been put across in the board then that's irresponsible of the active modders and this can be redeemed if we take this as a learning curve.
This said I think we do need to put in consideration that this thread is only a young pup in terms of age and their is much needed work which needs doing, we need to explain everything fully file for file including .ide files and how they work etc.
Hayley's basically just elaborated on what I've said previously in my last post (2nd paragraph) and that's the fact that how are these people going to know whats what, the tutorials up their seem to be aimed at people who at least have some understanding of using a hex editor or imgtool etc, allthough their easy to read and done to a professional standard for us to be able to follow it blindfolded the newcomers will have trouble reading it as to them it just looks like the threads made using hieroglyphics because we haven't explained the basics or key points etc. All we've done is just slammed a few tuts on to 1 page right heres how to do this etc without breaking anything down into sizeable chunks, we need to do a complete rewrite in dum ass form so even retards will be able to read and follow them, and like i've said before our best bet here is for us 2 to just kickback and put our feet up for now and basicly just slam the huge assignment onto mads workdesk, as his tuts have prooved useful.
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we need to do a complete rewrite in dum ass form so even retards will be able to read and follow them
Hey now, you didn't have to go that far. Not everyone shares the same learning speed.
In any case, that's exactly what needs to be done and I'm glad that you understand that changes have to be made. However, I'm not quite sure how MadMan would feel about having to do all the work in rewriting the tutorial. He's already got quite a bit on his plate at the moment.
Then again, I'm not him, so I can't really speak for what he wants to do.
Anyway, I think that's all the feedback I can give. Just work on explaining things better and you should be good to go. Not everybody is born with the skill to understand this stuff, you know.
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lol, hehe my tongue does tend to slip at times :innocent:
madman will relish at the opportunity and take to this like he does with every other project, he will sink his teeth into the task, and as this is a job which will encourage growth for the modding side of things then i can guarantee he will, even though it has been uncomfortably bulldozed onto him, but their is sadly no other alternative, anyway it serves him right for being too good at doing his tuts :P
mad was planning on doing this anyway and the task was on his card prior to this thread being created, only the difference is that we now know the scale of the operation, what went wrong and whats needed to remedy this :hmm: I'm sure their will be support for him when needed, I for one won't leave him in the lurch and help out when I can, but he has seen how bogged down i am at the moment with this model list which we're working on
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Aye, I already have been rewriting various tutorials and getting them ready in site format for a tutorial and bully mod site that I am coding in html5 atm and it is looking extremely nice. I may end up hosting it in the end since I dont yet know if AJ will be willing to provide some minor space for it and link it with the forum, But I will discuss it in detail with him and see what he thinks is best since after all...he does run this place.
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Yeah, I saw that comment, and I responded. Do you know how far MadmaN is with the thread redesign?
In regards to your question Red, I am instead sticking all of this into a site layout which will be easier to deal with and we can just use the threads as a place to start new tutorials when one pops up for somthing new, and I can add it to the site itself that I am doing and I will post a link for everyone to look at and comment on since it is kinda taking a little bit more of my time to code it...but its also a very simple site compered to most I have coded since in the end its still basic html, just html5 which I must say is quite nice for a change instead of dealing with php or asp.net or all javascript, flash or whatever.
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there we are problem solved!
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I'm sorry if this makes me sound like a bitch, but it's the blunt truth. If you guys really are looking to help out the newbies, you really have to sit down and dumb it down a lot so they can understand what exactly is going on.
It's not so much it needs to be dumbed down entirely. It's just it needs to be explained more clearly so its easier to join the dots. Like when I followed those steps Steman gave me, I thought I'd made a mistake with what I'd done, so I had to check back but the problem was something else entirely. Because I haven't done this before, if something goes wrong I am going to suspect that I did something wrong in the process.
I guess I'm trying to be super sure in my understanding because you want people to be able to understand this process and do it themselves, so I am trying to assume very little in order to give you the best feedback possible. See normally I might have just assumed that Red was talking about that but some people might not have made that connection because it doesn't specfically relate to that problem.
Also I think it was mentioned earlier, but people not only absorb information at different speeds but more efficently in different ways. Some people like pretty pictures (or even videos) but that's something for later once you've got all the work done.
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Would it help if I took screenshots, Peach?
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For me? Nah. I should be fine. I'm just saying in general.
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I am in the process of redoing my bully modding tutorial library site which now will hold complete tutorials which I am in the process of rewriting with screenshots for every step and also will host complete released mods of any kind. If anyone wants to let me know if this will be on the right track just check this url and let me know either in this thread somewhere or via a pm and please don't be afraid to say wether you like it or not like it since any criticism is useful. http://www.x-fire-clan.com/bully/index.html (http://www.x-fire-clan.com/bully/index.html)
This in all reality will be far better then posting every tutorial on the forum since the forum is limited in what it can do and that is especially true for very large tutorials such as mine even tho they are detailed.....most ppl the second they see them will most likely as has been said already..be intimidated by such a large amount of reading. My site design will make tutorials far easier to read and ppl can read it sections at a time rather then the entire tutorial at once...this way its easier to find what you want instead of searching for a needle in a haystack. And dont worry about the workload I am putting on myself...I am fully able to handle the task since I am far more used to more of a load then this....lol
Please keep in mind that the site is not finished yet but is nearly so...all I need to do now is just populate it with data from here regarding all the tutorials that have been created thus far by myself and others here as well as create a couple more bits of gfx for the sections and it will be ready for the big time.
I do not intend this as a replacement for bullyboard at all but just as a place for tutorials and mods to be kept and with a simple user interface that anyone should be able to use with no problems.
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The tutorials section of the site fully works and has the ultimate modding tutorial thread recreated in a easier format ....still needs more work done tho but I will get that done in the coming days.
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Curiously, what's your main motivation?
Getting people to understand? Or having them have the means of doing it themselves without asking for the tiniest thing? Or something else altogether?
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My motivation is just to help, nothing more and the fact that I tend to take every project that I take on very very seriously. Plus think of this as my small way of contributing to the community. I am not doing any of this for personal gain nor am I trying to steal anyone's thunder so hopefully noone thinks that as a reason. As far as your other question, I do encourage new modders to try and do things for themselves since I am a firm believer in the saying "Experience is the best teacher" , tho every person out there understand things in their own way and not everyone has the same skills or abilities, afterall...everyone is new once and as a person plays around with somthing thats not known to them...they develop knowledge and skill in their own way.....and if one has need of help or questions, then who am I to expect someone to know everything that the next person does?. I will say that if I personally intended for everyone to do this all for themselves without asking for any help then I never would have done any of the work that I am doing so, no worries. Besides...I do love a good challenge and I consider the modding plus creation of good tutorials a nice challenge and am actually having lots of fun doing this. I just hope that my doing all this has not offended anyone as that was never the intention :unsure:
I just happen to simply be very passionate about game modding in general. I simply see the bully modding community as one that has loads of potential to be just as big as the gta modding community which started out just like this and after a few ppl got things going...things just literally took off like a rocket from there. And my ultimate goal here is to help the community do more and hopefully make it fun for everyone in it. sry for such a long winded reply to such a simple question but I just want to make sure my reasons for being here and a active member of the modding community are understood and not taken the wrong way 8)