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Bully => Bully 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Freak of nature on May 29, 2012, 06:57:37 PM
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I know most people may not like Gary in the game "Bully" but i disagree! I love Gary I just think he should be a main character like everyone else!! Plus he may be a character but he's sure a cutieeee :wub:
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I like him also. He's nuts, which is one of the best things about him.
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This picture sums up my thoughts about him:
(http://pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2012-03_3/13317114389683.jpg)
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Thankyou Dave! ^ :) I mean I think it's a good thing he's nuts because he really makes the game more interesting I think. After he goes away and only shows up in part's it's really boring not seeing a crazy man every episode xD. & "Hay girl" WHO WOULDN'T LIKE GARY?! Have you seen how adorable he is? ;D
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I get a kick out of his asshole comments he makes to people.
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"Hay girl" WHO WOULDN'T LIKE GARY?! Have you seen how adorable he is? ;D
I judge characters on more than just appearance. :happy:
I do like his dialogue, but overall, I believe that he's a poorly developed character. If he were tweaked a little bit and presented better, I might like him a bit more.
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OMG HAYLEY I just noticed your avatar....again.
:'D
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OMG DAVE I just love it so much you have no idea and I have no idea what my icon should be so why not....again.
:'D
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I remember drawing dat. :'D
I'm so glad you still have it that makes me so happy you have no idea.
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It's saved on my computer forever. :ajajaxh5:
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So it's set in Hayley Stone™ ?
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It's a fossil already.
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Trilobites?
Let's go hunt for some.
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I used to love him.
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I don't so much love Gary as I hate Algie. After Gary called that fat loser "Pee Stain," I was sold. Also most of the people (including Jimmy) who Gary manipulates and fucks with usually deserve it. 8)
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I am! I'm the no 1 fan of gary haha!
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Hahahah xD^^! I just like how he's a smartass to everyone, that's my kinda guy right there! ;) an algie? please! He's the biggest pee bag I've ever seen in my life he annoys me so bad when i play the game -_- I'd love to get rid of him!! :euro:
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He's the most poorly written character in the entire game.
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Who Algie? Cause if your talking about Gary you have no taste in that game what so ever xD :cc_detective:
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He's the most poorly written character in the entire game.
Really, more than Petey? :confused:
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That's what I like about Gary he's a complete asswhole with no feelings at all xD I like how he use's people to get what he wants, I mean I'm not saying he's the best in the world or whatever and yea that may be mean at some point but I like it! Btw I rhink Petey should play a bigger role in "Bully 2" If it ever comes out because he helped Jimmy out a'lot in many parts of the game. :cheernutz:
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This picture sums up my thoughts about him:
(http://pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2012-03_3/13317114389683.jpg)
This...
He's the most poorly written character in the entire game.
Also this... and I'm sure they are talking about Gary. I'm just going to cover the one biggest flaw. I could go on and on about why Gary is such a flawed character like Hayley would tell you and I also know how you could write the order of events differently to make Gary more actually deceptive.
- Practically everything he does revolves around the other characters letting him do it. It's not at all manupilation.
Most obvious example of this is Jimmy himself. It goes from 'Gary's a bigger problem he'll have to wait' to 'Gary doesn't matter anymore I'm king of the school'. Jimmy never has a valid reason not to beat Gary up the second he backstabs him other than 'the plot doesn't want him to', aka the idiot ball. This generally does not make for a compelling story. Main reason I like Bully is for all the side characters, most of the main characters I do not like all that much.
This idiot ball thing is made worse by the fact that other characters KNOW he's a sociopath and/or dislike him yet still take everything he says at face value.
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Okay I agree with most of that but not all. The side character' are okay because I'll admit I also like little preppy Gord in the game but I have my reasons to like him and Gary because there both asswholes and have no respect what so ever. I mean this may sound rude but i'M LIKE GARY I dont give a fuck about people unless they piss me off. Yeah Gary just went crazy on everyone because of his med's but I also blame his parents. Have any of you all read about Gary's Parents? There thre ones who made them crazy in the first place! :blank:
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I used to love him.
Why used?
And I don't think he's the most poorly written one. Sure, he has flaws like all the other characters(Jimmy 'Taking orders from everyone during the entire game makes a great leader' Hopkins), but he isn't that bad. Maybe it's because I don't look much into stuff like that, or the fact that I judge characters by how entertaining they are. That's what matters to me.
But the holes in Gary's character aren't the only ones. For example, can someone explain how a townie teenager can sneak in a boarding school and set a gym on fire without anyone noticing? And him getting away with it? And the events during the Complete Mayhem mission. I'm sure that IRL if something like that happened that school would've been closed in a few hours.
But like I said, I don't find stuff like that a big problem. It's a game, something that should entertain us.
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Who Algie? Cause if your talking about Gary you have no taste in that game what so ever xD :cc_detective:
Algie is that fat ginger nerd with them stupid Harry Potter glasses with his zip down. Often says stuff like "Word up coolio!!" or "Hi. I mean yo."
OT: I liked Gary but I felt his position as antoganist was too small. Hell, he wasn't even mentioned in Chapter 4 once!
In Chapters 2 & 3 I'd liked it if he kinda set Jimmy up to fight the gangs. (I know The Eggs but you know my point.)
I felt that Derby was more of an antoganist than Gary.
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Gary was great before he went nuts, and he was funny. But when he stopped taking his meds he just became a plain asshole
I agree with this. Gary was a good character in Chapter 1 but as the main villain of the entire game he seems a bit lacking.
Algie is that fat ginger nerd with them stupid Harry Potter glasses with his zip down. Often says stuff like "Word up coolio!!"
Everytime he says that I give him an uppercut. :laugh:
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I also like little preppy Gord in the game but I have my reasons to like him and Gary because there both asswholes and have no respect what so ever.
Heh. Gord is among one of my favorite characters in the game, while Gary is among my least favs...
I mean this may sound rude but i'M LIKE GARY I dont give a fuck about people unless they piss me off.
I can see where you're coming from, about liking characters similar to yourself, but... in the case of being similar to Gary, it just needs to extend beyond not caring about other people. I mean, I can honestly say that I don't care about most people or much of anything, but I can't say that I'm a living Gary Smith because of this.
Yeah Gary just went crazy on everyone because of his med's but I also blame his parents. Have any of you all read about Gary's Parents? There thre ones who made them crazy in the first place! :blank:
I personally don't think Gary's meds have anything to do with his behavior. Early in the game, he's already had the idea in mind to take over the school even before he stopped taking his medication. I don't have much to say about his parents, but I also don't believe they're to blame for "making him crazy in the first place," unless you mean they gave birth to him... I tend to just think Rockstar fucked him up big time.
His character is just such a mess... I find it really hard to like him even in the slightest because of this.
Maybe it's because I don't look much into stuff like that, or the fact that I judge characters by how entertaining they are. That's what matters to me.
There's nothing wrong about not thinking along the same lines as somebody else. :) Obviously with myself, I just tend to pick something apart and over analyze it. I guess it can make me a tad bit critical at times, especially so when others aren't willing to acknowledge even the most obvious faults. Close minded and shallow people irk me. :mellow:
But, um... yeah...
Hello I like logic and rationality.
I felt that Derby was more of an antoganist than Gary.
Also this.
Okay I think I'm done now.
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I'm not exactly saying Gary's parents fucked him up or anything it's just after reading a little about him his parents screwed up big time with him, His dad was a big part of it because he was also on the med's. Gary's character inspires me because he's just a total bitch and I think he relates to me... As "Hay gurl" said "Gord is among one of my favorite characters in the game, while Gary is among my least favs..." Well I like em both because like I said there dumb fucks! I don't get why you don't like Gary though? What's so special about Gord his money!? Personally I like his attitude but I'm guessing other people think different xD! & I don't think the med's is what fucked him up or his parents It's the fact how he believed Jimmy was talking about him dirty because noone liked Gary except Petey because he caused to much trouble but he also play's a big part in the game. Yeah he's not mentioned in chapter's 2,3&4 but that's cause Jimmy was doing his work trying to FIND Gary and get him BACK. & "Rockstar fucked him up big time." I believe that was there intentions if they wouldn't have done that then this game "Bully" wouldn't be any count if they didn't have a bad guy in the story agree? :-\
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I don't get why you don't like Gary though?
This is why I don't like Gary:
http://www.bully-board.com/index.php?topic=15062.msg190785#msg190785 (http://www.bully-board.com/index.php?topic=15062.msg190785#msg190785)
And with that, I think I'm done here. Toodles.
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But the holes in Gary's character aren't the only ones. For example, can someone explain how a townie teenager can sneak in a boarding school and set a gym on fire without anyone noticing? And him getting away with it? And the events during the Complete Mayhem mission. I'm sure that IRL if something like that happened that school would've been closed in a few hours.
If Bullworth was real it would be closed within a matter of weeks at the start of the story. It's just an accepted reality that everyone at Bullworth has amnesia on 90% of things that happen to them. Flush Gord's head down the toilet? Give him wedges? Kiss Duncan in front of him? Doesn't matter he'll still want to kiss you an hour later. It's one of the things that's fun about the game, practically zero consequences. Admittedly something I'd want changed for Bully 2 but it'd have to be done cautiously.
I'll give you however that Gary is not the only flawed thing in the story but the difference is that Gary is really insanely popular and for the life of me I can't understand why except for this...
Maybe it's because I don't look much into stuff like that, or the fact that I judge characters by how entertaining they are. That's what matters to me.
This is why I think most people like Gary. People just don't tend to look into it to see his flaws, but to me at least they stick out like a sore thumb. *shrug*. I guess I've partly tried to search for some sort of meaning and always come up more than blank.
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Okay "Peachrocks" surely I understand that you don't like Gary at all and you don't want him to be in "Bully 2" If they come out with the game, but without Gary the game would be nothing, like I said awhile ago I mean common who wouldn't want a crazy ass nut job in the game ya know? I was reading some other comments and crap about how some people get mad because everyone loves Gary and we all flaw to him? Well of course! He's cute I personally love the way the way he is. I don't get why people are so fond of "Algie" because he's a worhless pee bag! Not trying to be mean and I'm not talking about anyone off this page of anyone who commented on the post I made "Is anyone a fan of Gary in the game?" but for the other people In other discussions SCREW YOU ALL! you guys have no good taste in character's at ALL! :laugh:
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I actually haven't met many people who like Algernon and have completed the game. They do at first, but once they realise he's a just user of people and attempts to get their pity to get his way and never returns the favour he becomes more and more disliked.
The problem with using Gary in Bully 2 is ironically a problem that should have been in Bully 1 if he really acted that way. Nobody should trust him, period. Ever. Full stop.
This seriously comprimises any evil plot that requires he manupilate anybody and if he became a good guy he'd lose what makes him supposedly likeable in the first place, even if it was the 'good is not nice, snarky style' good guy.
I may dislike Gary but I only dislike the end product. The character itself and its intended design is actually pretty awesome. It's just the end product is so far away from this and the plot so rushed it does not come off.
It's possible to replicate the intended design for Gary and put it in another role even in the Bullworth environment or something connected to but it cannot be lived through Gary himself because of the irrepairable damage done in the first one, you either break his character or make the plot even more ridiculous, it is simply better to drop the character and try again.
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Yep, a new one. Like Jake in our fanfic story. Wouldn't be too much different there, since Gary is either in cutscenes or offscreen most of the original story anyway. We ship Jake out of school early, and then explain what he is doing on the outside to try and take control of the school. Making him elusive enough (and lucky enough) not to get caught just serves to keep the story going. But there is a deeper evil in Bullworth, and the towns, to provide more of a plot going forward in the story.
I always found the 'plot' to Bully kind of lame as far as Gary was concerned after Chapter 1. And, match that with the Pussy ending (Gary's Defeat), which was so easy a 6-year-old could likely play through it with their eyes closed. I do hope for a better villain and a much better plot for Bully 2.
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I do think there could be a sequel where you play as Gary as he tries to redeem his name.
I mean, in the Kyrandia series, Malcolm is initially the bad guy. But in the third game, you play as him, and he still has his narcissistic and sarcastic personality as he tries to survive (and it was not only the funniest game in the series, but also by far the best)...
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Does anyone think that the character would have worked better had they consolidated Gary and Petey into one person? In other words make him sarcastic like Gary but loyal like Petey throughout most of the game, not turning on Jimmy at the end of Chapter 1. It would've explained why Jimmy didn't go after Gary until he was expelled. Interestingly enough, Gary's monologue at the end would have still made sense.
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That.. that's actually a good idea! You seem to be full of them :)
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That.. that's actually a good idea! You seem to be full of them :)
Well I'm full of something, but hey thanks! :D
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Does anyone think that the character would have worked better had they consolidated Gary and Petey into one person? In other words make him sarcastic like Gary but loyal like Petey throughout most of the game, not turning on Jimmy at the end of Chapter 1. It would've explained why Jimmy didn't go after Gary until he was expelled. Interestingly enough, Gary's monologue at the end would have still made sense.
Actually this what I thought in my restructure except Petey would still be in the story. The biggest problem with Gary is the fact Jimmy never has any reason to go after him when you know he's an enemy.
How do you resolve this? By not making him an enemy until absolutely neccessary. This is only a very rough outline of the 'changes' but it's too long as is :P.
Simply put Gary would be made headboy in chapter 2's beginning though he has already set Jimmy up to face against Russell in the hole, though Jimmy has no idea who did that and who's spreading hearsay about what he is saying. Petey suspects Gary of something fishy but of course Jimmy as always never listens to Petey in regards to Gary.
However for Gary to keep 'order' within the cliques he uses Jimmy as his unoffical enforcer while at the same time (unknown to Jimmy obviously) gives them reasons to hate him. Jimmy then pacifies the cliques as he does in the main story. Petey is still Jimmy's 'guide' telling him to solve the problem that Gary sets out (and causes).
You might say at the end of chapter 4 is where Gary stops taking his meds. Gary then goes to the townies and gets their help to start causing problems. You ever wondered how Gurney got into the school and set the gym on fire? Gary. Not to mention there's a secret passageway inside the school by the asylum. It'd be pretty easy for him to get in undetected, especially with inside help.
Jimmy is of course accused of doing everything bad for exactly the same reason as normal. Because Gary said so. Except this time he is actually trustworthy at this point rather than a horrible liar which makes it far more believeable that people would listen to him.
This of course leads Jimmy to being expelled. Knowing that the townies caused his problems he seeks them out for a beating and upon beating Edgar the pair finally put the pieces together since Edgar realises he wasn't going to get to rule the school, or even continue to prank them because Gary had already achieved his goal of removing Jimmy and now they are an 'enemy' and therefore would no longer recieve his inside help.
Then of course Gary carries out the finale as before, causing everyone to fight each other and 'turning the school into a battleground', just for kicks. He's obviously the insane lunatic now we all know and loathe :P.
A few simple changes and Gary goes from a horrible obvious see through liar who nobody would believe where the hero has to carry an idiot ball to make the plot work to a devious mastermind.
I do think there could be a sequel where you play as Gary as he tries to redeem his name.
I mean, in the Kyrandia series, Malcolm is initially the bad guy. But in the third game, you play as him, and he still has his narcissistic and sarcastic personality as he tries to survive (and it was not only the funniest game in the series, but also by far the best)...
Ehhh... it'd be risky, because Gary's not only devious he also shows a complete lack of morals and it was even said in this thread that's one of his most likeable features. It'd be very difficult to portray him as a hero. If Gary really must return to Bully, it'd have to be with some sort of leverage. Like something he knows about the school that Crabblesnitch doesn't want people knowing about but something that's difficult to prove thus giving a potential protaganist a mission.
This gives him an out from Happy Volts and a way back into Bullworth but as a playable character (either as a hero or a villain) I don't know, the guy is not known for his fighting ability but I guess you could remedy that. To be honest I really believe too much damage was done in the first game to make him return in any believeable fashion without completely destroying the reasons people like him in the first place.
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This I'd like to see. I can imagine it, and in my eyes it makes for a better plot!
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Yeah that is really good. The amazing thing to me is how little you changed the story and how it made so much more sense. Good one! :cool:
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Thanks. I had that idea sitting in my head for sometime but never found the right place to put it. Still I guess you can understand my frustration a little at Gary's incomplete character and yet people still flock to him, I guess I understand now that's because the base idea is actually good even though the finished product isn't.
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No "Peachrocks" I do with agree with your story up there^^^ It actually does make more sense. About changing Gary's character an all. But if everyone like's him the way he is then why change him? I think He should still be in "Bully 2" but not be the bad guy this time. Yeah he can still be a bitch and a smart ass to everyone but not minipulate them like he did in "Bully." Maybe his character in "Bully 2" could be nice and mean or instead of being an outcast like he is why not join another group? Such as the preps or a greaser? I think It would be a good story if he played as one of those character's, That's my favorite thing about the game is watching the whole story of it. I like how it played out but maybe Gary could change for he next one? One thing is for sure though I highly dout that "Rockstar games" will even listen to our idea's or what we think about the game. So if they do come out with a "Bully 2" and put Gary in it they may just make him the same or maybe even worse. No matter what though Gary will always be my #1 :P
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I used to love him.
Why used?
I grew up. I don't know. I like video game characters, but they don't hold the same appeal they used to to me.
Funfact: My original username on here was Gary Smith.
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THAT'S RIGHT BOYS AND GIRLS, THEY ARE NOT REAL !!!!!!!!!!!
And that's why it don't bother me one bit to bash, stab, shoot, maim, run over, or kill them.
They are just pixels on a screen, mere images encrypted on a disc.
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Precisely ! They are a MAJOR stress reliever. Pissed off at real people ? Just kill some imaginary ones. It'll make you feel better.
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Agreeeeeeeeeeed to both! ^ :)
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@Peachrocks: It doesn't have to take place at Bullworth. Bullworth could be just one part at a later point in the game.
But I'm gonna go back to my example. Malcolm in the first Kyrandia game is suggested to have murdered the royal family, and turns many people into stone with his magic. He shows every sign of delusion, narcissism, and just evil. But despite this, in the third game he's actually trying to prove his innocence from the murder, and since he lost his magic, he relies on his wits to survive.
And yet despite all that, he retains his qualities, and I can definitely say they did a good job of turning him from a villain into a(n) (anti)hero.
Maybe, we could have Gary enroll at a new school after being discharged from Happy Volts, and is shunned by everyone due to his past rep. Then throughout the game, he has to rely on his wits to get around as he struggles with his inner self between his good side and bad side. His fighting abilities would be based on a progression system.
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Precisely ! They are a MAJOR stress reliever. Pissed off at real people ? Just kill some imaginary ones. It'll make you feel better.
What do you think about the new moral choices that some games are presenting to players? I first saw this is GTA4 and it seems to be catching on. Does it help games to be taken more seriously as an art form or does it just get in the way of fun escapism?
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Algie Hunter I've been trying to figure out the same thing but jusrt can't get an answere! :( & btw this is a responce to the comment before your's about the setting in Bullworth? I think it should take place in DIFFERENT place like England or maybe even New Jersey? But that's just me!!! ❤
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I think I would also enjoy a change of schools or even a change of countries. I just liked the characters of Bully 1 and the setting of Bullworth Academy/Town so much that I have some resistance to that change. :laugh:
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If they do set it in a different country SET IT IN WALES. I think there's 0 games set in Wales. Then one of the new cliques could be 'The Chavs'
And the new headmaster could look like Anthony Hopkins. (Any relation to Jimmy Hopkins?) :laugh:
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omg. Noo Jerzee. Or it could take place in Noo Yawk.
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@Peachrocks: It doesn't have to take place at Bullworth. Bullworth could be just one part at a later point in the game.
Yeah I like the environment set up at Bullworth but I would like a second school involved in Bully 2 and maybe even two protaganists but you've seen my idea before. What you suggest could work, the new environment would be a must but really considering the fact he isn't REALLY any of the things people like him for it would be easier to create a new character completely but that's just my opinion.
NaisBully: Total war Medieval 2 Kingdoms allows you to play as Wales in the Britiania campaign where you have to have decisive control over Britain and Ireland to win. They are one of the most fun factions to play too.
If Bully 2 is set in Wales, it'd have to have a lot of rain :laugh:. Though honestly I just want to see Bully 1's minor characters again. Especially from a more involved perspective.
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There does need to be more games set in other countries.
As far as I know, aside from maps in Call of Duty, there are no games set in Brazil, France, Spain, Germany, UK (GTA London but you know), Austraila, China, Japan ETC. They are all set in the USA.
EDIT: I remembered Tony Hawk's Underground series had levels in other countries.
THUG 1 had USA and Russia, THUG2 had USA, Spain, Berlin, Austraila and outer space. :D
E2: And Canada
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Before we found out that GTA5 takes place in Los Santos (a slight disappointment for me) I saw this awesome idea on a GTA fan site's wish list about the game taking place in Rio. Druglords, corrupt politicians, tourists, beaches, high rises, slums, and maybe having a part of the game take place during Carnivale. Anyway all I hope is that GTA is done with Liberty City. :laugh:
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As long as it's in a different country it would be great! and since everyone's sad about leaving the Bullworth oringinal character's why not take them too? The game don't have to be about leaving the school they could make it that bullworth had to shut down for odd reason and they have to move to a different location and school. So they all move to a different school with the same character's an all! Just diff. country((: :cheernutz:
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Maybe Bullworth goes on a field trip for Geography?
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LOL, that would be something, Heh ?
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That was a stroke of genius, whoever thought that up.
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I'm sure it'll take place in the USA, and I'm okay with it.
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Yea say they go on a senior trip or something! :D that would be great!! :cc_detective:
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Yea say they go on a senior trip or something! :D that would be great!! :cc_detective:
If they stick with Jimmy and the rest I hope its their senior year so that you can work on cars. ;D
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Yeaaaa! :cheernutz:
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Look at my name :D