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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: So... who won the election?

« on: November 13, 2014, 05:13:47 AM »

Yeah I thought it'd be longer then that. Something got lost along the way.

The only reason I asked about the pile is because it would generate a whole heap of walls.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: So... who won the election?

« on: November 12, 2014, 02:25:07 PM »

Yup, playing this again, it has been more than two years since I last played apparently. I'm sure you missed my walls of text. Here have one.

Because it never happened, or at least we never saw it. Consider it another thing to add to the That Happen Off-Screen Pile^™.

Do you have this pile somewhere?

Pretty much my thoughts... when I said that nerds are at the bottom of the social hierarchy I mean that their group is hated by everybody while nobody bothers to question (read: mess with/repress) the jocks' power... which is another thing that baffles me about the game. You'd think preps would be top dog due to their family's influence/connections to the school/whatever...

I think the Preps would consider the whole thing beneath them. Derby's father already has his strings firmly attached to Crabblesnitch. It's really hard to get a read on 'exactly' where they really stand. It's either a passive control thing or it's no control at all but merely pretending they do. Sure they pretend to be rolling in it but there's varying levels of 'rolling' in it. Maybe Bryce isn't the only fraud . Remember what was said once about why the Preps were obsessed with eggs.

I... doubt class presidents can actually cancel classes. I mean, being head boy seems like it wields great powers (that are again never really elaborated on) so who knows how much power class presidents have in the game... but it still seems unlikely to me they'd be able to get rid of those classes. That's something Crabblesnitch would have to decide and even if he was approach with the proposal I think he'd reject it.

In games and shows, 'overpowered student councils' are a big thing. The fact Crabblesnitch is so easily manipulated might make this a thing regardless of how powerful the Head Boy or Class President actually is.

I think it's clear Ted won a landslide election. Earnest winning would break the status quo and would definitely raise a few eyebrows.

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Bully 2 Discussion / Re: Bully 2 Map

« on: April 08, 2014, 06:18:52 AM »

Bullworth still but extended to a new town which the storyline is at least in part based around so basically double the size. Some new features and things but one of the things about Bullworth is that it is in a time warp.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: Favorite Mission music(Soundtrack) in Bully.

« on: September 30, 2013, 11:57:23 AM »

The Set Up. Sets the tone really well, loved it the first time I played it like it still.

The rest? There's too many to mention . The soundtrack and Shaun Lee doing it again was one of the biggest things about Bully 2 I was looking forward to.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: Is russell retarded?

« on: August 10, 2013, 10:52:51 AM »

No, he got good grades at Math. Know that Bullying is bad (even tho the game mechanics still make Bullies bully other people). Wish that his parents never divorced

Where did you get that info? Played this game many times and do frequent editing on the wiki and have yet to hear any of that.

Russells math was never mentioned, Russell is LEADER of the BULLIES so of course he likes to bully, and in "Busting In", Jimmy mentions Russell lives with his Mom and Dad. They are not divorced.

Another character makes reference to it but there are two possibilities.

1. He's actually good at math.

2. He was part of the Hattrick bribe train

To be honest, I think Russell plays dumb/big stereotype to fit in socially but while he's not super smart he is far from the dumbest character in the game for sure. (One of the few people who didn't believe Gary's obvious nonsense).

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: Things You Would Of Changed In Bully

« on: April 28, 2013, 08:24:19 PM »

I'm afraid I don't have an essay on the topic though I will say the storyline isn't THAT bad. The skeleton works well enough it's just how it actually forms up isn't so good.

The main thing I'd change is to make it more open ended. The respect system being on rails and the fact there is this great environment with deep characters out there and Jimmy gets to interact with practically none of it.

Choices that have significance on the missions that play out, being able to actually be apart of the clique system should the player so choose (these two ideas are connected). Allowing a player to achieve things through other means aside brute force. That should still be somewhat the focus but not mostly the only thing you can interact with.

The main reason I (and I think most of us) like Bully is because of the deep world it presents us with and how we can keep finding out about it well after the game is over. The unfortunate thing is the game itself is so short, it's like you are looking into the world through a window.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 24, 2013, 01:16:26 AM »

I wrote a tiny bit of a Bully 2 would be fic with a big plan and such and that's exactly what happens to those two. Jimmy only comes back at the end of the plot for 'dream match' (i.e anyone can fight anyone) fights in the hole and has minimal impact on the plot.

I just love the Bully 1 characters I wouldn't want to see them just disappear completely.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 23, 2013, 11:27:34 PM »

Fair enough. I have to agree I've never understood that cheering scene either and even my 'walls of text' can't decrypt what they were trying to get at there other than creating a happy atmosphere in which nothing honestly changes aside from anything to do with Jimmy which wasn't his point at all.

Kinda a big reason why I wouldn't want Jimmy as protagonist again, he'd just worn out his welcome IMO. I wouldn't mind the second game being set at Bullworth just to tie up those loose ends (Which can be done if Gary and Jimmy don't exist in the plot otherwise it all goes to hell).

I mean sure the plot feels questionable at times but it falls spectacularly to pieces in chapter 5 once Gary has to actually be on screen to present his 'scheme' rather than be off screen to convince the audience how devious he isn't.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 23, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »

This is my own perspective:  the clique leaders secretly hated Jimmy for embarrassing them in front of their goons and the whole school, and wanted revenge in Chapter 5.

That... I like that thought.

I think that Earnest, Johnny, Derby, and Ted are also the main villains of Bully, not just Gary.  And really, Gary turns out to be the least important of the five.   

I can't agree with that. Johnny cannot be classed as a villain because Jimmy clearly acts on him first for no good reason other than because the plot says so, Derby doesn't give a stuff about any of the politics and probably thinks its beneath him. He's an ass yes but not a villain in the strictest sense. Earnest, possibly but not a very good one and Ted has so little storyline presence aside being the stereotypical jock leader that he's not even worth mentioning.

Furthermore if they were looking for revenge because of their authority within their cliques being undermined beating Gary wouldn't resolve anything at the end of the game, yet it clearly does. The intention was clearly for them to be all played by Gary but its so clumsily done it just doesn't come off right at all.

Also the reboot you pulled out was one of two particular comments on Gary and why he's such a flawed character and how I'll never understand his popularity.

Well, we couldn't really expect a rational Bully plot, seeing as how it was written for 12-year-olds.

Irrelevant and I think the game is rated higher then that, it is at least in this country, 15+ if I'm not mistaken. I've seen great stories for things intended for 8 years or less. The most obvious example that comes to mind is the 2003 series of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That had quite an interesting and even deep storyline at times (when it wasn't doing silly comic book super hero like based spin offs).

I just find it so incredibly odd that you have characters so detailed with loads of little details, each with their own backstories, things like Kirby's foot fetish and 'i'm totally not gay', Duncan's nerdy background and wish to fit in society or Ricky's girl problems. You can paint a lot of pictures with those things alone and they don't even come up in the main plot. Yet the main plot is full of plotholes and the villain is incredibly underdeveloped, it's just comes off as really odd to me...

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 23, 2013, 02:24:25 AM »

The other characters hold idiot balls. That's the only way Gary's plans work. The townies were hardly used, they had nothing to lose by following him and its not like he had much connections to begin with. Derby didn't give a stuff about him, Tad did but he had no influence, Earnest is frankly an idiot, Johnny's only interaction with Gary is 'shut up Gary' and Gary is never seen talking with any of the jocks. 

It really comes down to... 'Hey guys let's blame Jimmy for all our problems even though we don't have a shred of proof that he's responsible and has nothing to gain from it'. I'll grant you though Jimmy was acting like an ass at that stage and he did some things that go beyond idiotic to 'I'm doing this because the script says so'.

You might want to be careful bringing Gary up, it might trigger a lengthy essay or something but I've already done that somewhere here which I don't remember.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 22, 2013, 11:25:10 PM »

Nice to have people appreciate what I've got to say rather than TL;DR.

How do you know if its too long if you didn't read it?

I'd do it more often but it's gotta be the right topic .

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 22, 2013, 10:43:26 PM »

The Townies though were just an outside factor and weren't within the schools hierarchy so it wouldn't make sense to involve them too much. Remember that while they did share it with 4 of the cliques, all those events were caused by the Townies so really it is their chapter.

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 22, 2013, 07:16:06 PM »

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Oh how I've missed reading your walls of texts. (｡´◡`｡)

On-topic, my choice should be obvious. ˘⌣˘

Haha I've kept an eye on things on the boards and just haven't felt like commenting. This caught my attention. I did get GTA 4 (SWING GLITCH!), I told you on Skype but I guess you haven't checked. I posted a similar wall you might enjoy reading in the GTA 4 section under the snow storm thread that Mike posted more than a year ago.

I might have to try find your GTA videos now too .

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Bully 1 Discussion / Re: What Clique Would You Fit Into?

« on: April 22, 2013, 04:21:47 PM »

Well here's the thing, I think some of you are putting in what you'd be in real life rather than if you were in the Bullworth world.

The bullies aren't technically bullies when compared to the rest of the school. They are more like layabouts or bludgers or whatever the American equivalent is. Yeah, they bully non clique students, but so does everyone else. In terms of the storyline they don't seem to care too much about anything other than having a good time. I guess because they are the only clique who saw through Gary's obvious BS (or more likely didn't give a damn) and remained loyal to Jimmy that has a bit of an impact on my opinion.

I think the biggest factor in why the bullies aren't usual bullies is that they typically side with whoever has got power or appears to have power and Jimmy certainly didn't have it at that point in the story and I don't mean physical power like Russell has, I mean influence and popularity.

Frankly the nerds aren't the standard nerds in real life either. They are backstabbing scum and far more aggressive than most nerds and probably a big part of the reason they are picked on. It's not exactly like they can't fight back if they are armed. They aren't exactly intelligent either.

Some of the clique do fill the stereotypical role such as Bucky, Fatty and Cornelius but others like Algernon, Donald and obviously Earnest do not fill this at all and those have more power in the clique. Nerds tend to stick by those who have treated them well (because they generally have difficulty acquiring friends outside their social circle and hell even inside their social circle) and they did the exact opposite.

Having said all that, the Townies fit me the most. Despite constantly being told I was intelligent, school was pretty horrible for me because of all the social nonsense and I had to drop out. I identify with Duncan and Jerry pretty strongly.

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Bullworth Experiences / Re: Busted In The Prep's Gym

« on: April 22, 2013, 04:01:37 PM »

I have to admit I've never tried running there but I might do it just to watch Preps beat up townspeople.