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Title: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 12:10:13 AM
Found this on IGN just now, and damn is it going to stir up some shit.

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In his 'manifesto', Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in the brutal slaughter of 93 people in Norway last week, wrote about his enthusiasm for videogames, and how he used them as part of his "training".

The 1,500 page manifesto is currently being scrutinized by law-enforcement and media alike. It includes a desire to form a Europe, free from non-Christian religions. It's a bizarre hodge-podge of extreme right-wing views including a negative fixation on Muslims. Breivik also enjoyed gaming. He wrote, "I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it's one of the hottest games this year. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I've still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations."

He also used World of Warcraft as an excuse for friends and family to cover other activities. "For example, tell them that you have started to play World of Warcraft or any other online MMO game and that you wish to focus on this for the next months/year. This 'new project' can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not answering your phone over long periods. Tell them that you are completely hooked on the game (raiding dungeons, etc.)."
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: BloodChuckZ on July 26, 2011, 05:45:59 AM
Ahh, I can just hear it now....."It's The Videogame's Fault !!"

None of this has made the mainstream news media, yet.  First I've heard of it.  I'll keep a close ear on the news for a few days and see if they jump on this aspect.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 01:21:25 PM
That's what I'm waiting for.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 04:51:00 PM
People will blame and ban a game any chance they get. You're talking game haters here. These asswipes support people like JT.

When they hear things like this they all come running out like the plague thinking they have to stop the game for the good of society when all they're doing is fucking things up.Wastes of life.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 05:11:28 PM
He was on steroids. He hated everybody who didn’t believe in his own beliefs and followed his religion. You can’t blame video games for that...
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
Nope. These people are oblivious to that though. The only thing they're paying any attention to is what they say. Any possible reasoning in support of the game these people won't even look at.

They think that getting rid of a game is doing a favor when they're actually pissing people off. Once again, they're oblivious to that as well.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 05:45:02 PM
And it’s not like removing a game from store shelves is going to rid the world of terrorism...
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
No, it's not.

I guess this makes playing games an act of terrorism now?
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 06:08:10 PM
There might be super crazy anti-video game people who think that. But these people will find anything in a game to bitch about. I'm lookin' at you, Jack Thompson.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 06:11:15 PM
These people support what he does. He's like an inspiration to these asswipes. They think banning games is gonna help us when they probably can't even help themselves.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 06:41:18 PM
Exactly. I feel that this sort of ties in with the ratings given to games. If a game is rated M, it means you have to be mature about the contents in it. While Jack might try to be mature about things, it’s making him look like an immature fool.

If the game has hate crimes in it, remember that it’s not pushing you in to do them irl. If there’s guns and killing people in the game, don’t go out and get a shotgun and kill your best friend. Video games are not telling the person to do these things; it's the person who decides "oh this looks fun I'm going to go do it now."

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: If somebody doesn’t like the subjects in the game don’t buy it at all. Don’t try to remove something that everybody else enjoys just because a few people don’t.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 06:46:08 PM
If someone mimics a game that's from a decision they made or they have some real mental issues. Don't blame games.

And I still see no need for games to even be banned. People DON'T HAVE TO BUY THEM. For some fucked up reason people are banning these games and taking them away from everyone. It's totally pointless in doing this.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: BloodChuckZ on July 26, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
I see the death count has been 'revised' down to 68 now.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
I don't really like when people use the excuse "mental issue." In Anders' case, his lawyer claims he's insane.

People don't seem to understand that it's all a matter of choice. If somebody decides to look like their favorite celebrity it's their decision. That celebrity didn't threaten or ask that person to look like them. Just like how the main characters of MW2 didn't tell Breivik to slaughter 68+ people irl.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: BloodChuckZ on July 26, 2011, 07:09:27 PM
LOL, that would be funny in a sick sort of way, wouldn't it, if video game characters just stared at the screen at you and commanded, "Go Kill !"
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 07:10:58 PM
Games are in no way related to the situation. Games can't make a person act.

A popular excuse I hear is that the game "influenced" someone to do what they did. That's a bunch of bullshit too. Games don't influence. A person still has to act on their own, which a game can't make them do.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: BloodChuckZ on July 26, 2011, 07:16:05 PM
Some people are pretty impressive though, like sheep.  Mostly they wind up in cults, giving their insane leaders all their money, property, and daughters.  Then, when the time is right, they all commit mass suicide.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 07:20:51 PM
Games are in no way related to the situation. Games can't make a person act.

A popular excuse I hear is that the game "influenced" someone to do what they did. That's a bunch of bullshit too. Games don't influence. A person still has to act on their own, which a game can't make them do.

And it's not just video games being blamed for "influencing" people. There's movies, tv shows, music, books... although I believe that video games are being targeted the most.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
Got that right Chuck, Jim Jones is one of the best examples of that.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Games are mostly picked on. It's the biggest industry. Bigger than filming, music, or books. It's what kids are mostly involved with too.

People can't really say a book will hurt kids, but a game can always have something bad about it. Even though most of these kids won't be playing these games for another 16 years....
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 07:35:19 PM
Games show you what it shows. Books let you imagine it, you create what the people look like and so on. For me books get my mind going a lot more than games.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
Even some books have been censored. Sad. Fucked up.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 07:42:10 PM
I can understand some, but most of those are stuff we would never read. Besides that books should never be banned or censored.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 07:44:02 PM
Sadly, there's a huge list of banned books.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 26, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
I feel it's wrong to ban books. Who has the right to tell me what I can and can't read? Nobody has that right.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Crazy Snake on July 26, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
As far as I know this isn't banned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible.) So why ban anything.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 10:12:04 PM
The Da Vinci Code is banned in Lebanon because it's “offensive to Christianity.” Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is banned in Hunan, China because the animals have human intelligence. Rights of Man is banned in the U.K because it supports the French Revolution.

People will find the most ridiculous reasons to ban books. It's stupid. Books were meant to be read, not be hidden away from the world.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: BloodChuckZ on July 26, 2011, 10:54:15 PM
LOL, the French Revolution ?  Gawd, that was...222 years ago !  Get over it !
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: Hayley on July 26, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
Exactly! It's ludicrous.
Title: Re: Norway Terror Suspect Used MW2 for "Training"
Post by: King Cobra on July 27, 2011, 06:26:04 AM
Some people just can't pull that stick out of their ass......