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Bully => Bully 1 Discussion => Topic started by: SWEGTA on May 26, 2014, 04:40:13 AM
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The ending for Bully was a big letdown in my opinion.
You confront Gary, it's dark, it's raining and dramatic music is playing as Gary's true colors reveal themselves more than ever.
Constantly reminding you of how you were all just a pawn in his game as he throws bricks at you.
But once you go face-to-face with the bastard he just fights you and loops the few fight/ending-audiofiles he have.
Until you all fall through the roof, he gets expelled, you have a small chat with Crabblesnitch and go outside to make out with your girlfriend who is now magically sporting a custom-made Bullworth Uniform.
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Gary was too easy to beat in my opinon. And we dont know what happend to Gary after he got expelled which is bad. i was hoping that he would spawn in the Asylum after the game.
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Gary's character was pretty much just thrown away after the ending.
Along with all major characters/clique leaders. That is unless you modify the game to enable them all in freeroam.
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Pete Kowalski was never shown as the Headboy, and the game didn't show how he would deal with the different cliques. How could Rockstar do that?!
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They saw the first opportunity they had at an ending and took it unfortunately.
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We all agree that many things about parts of Bully like this just plain suck.
But let's face it, there was just things in the game that was lax. If the series would have been continued, maybe those things would have been improved, who knows. But it's not like it was a huge moneymaker anyway.
I don't feel that Rockstar ever planned to continue the series, just as I don't feel that the Manhunt series will ever be continued. So, maybe it's now just a Classic game, never to be repeated.
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Bogus, Chuck!
R* can bring back the franschise to lfie easily. It just takes a spoonful of sugar and faith.
They brought RDR back, right?
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Revolver 2004, Redemption, 2010 (iNorth America dates) = 6 years.
Bully is going on 8 years now. And it's not the Old Wild West, Bully is about kids bullying kids.
RDR is about an adult killing bad men. There's a big difference there.
There has been a big hoopla about bullied kids in the US in the years since the release of Bully.
It's been kind of a 'hot button' topic for several years now. I feel that is the biggest reason that a Bully 2 would be doomed in this country, at least.
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What about the Postal series? They got a lot of heat over what you could do in those games.
COD gets lot of negative backlash over the fact that they obsess over nazi-zombies.
Bullying would just be another brick in the wall.
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But not a KIDS wall, is what I'm getting at.
Beating / Shooting adults ? Fine.
Killing Zombies ? Hell yeah.
But not Kids.
All I'm saying.
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But the Kids fight back, and can kick your ass sometimes.
The ending to Bully...
It was fun and suspensful chasing Gary, and being pelted with bricks. The pre-fight cutscene was nicely done. I beat Gary in like 3 minutes on my first try, and that was it. They fall through a skylight, and suddenly they're in the office. Crabblesnitch is all like "nice jimmy awesome your so cool" and Jimmy goes outside. Zoe all of a sudden got the news that she's going back to school, and is already wearing her uniform. They slobber all over each other while everyone's like "woaw jimmy yer so cewl". I just sat there, thinking.
The fuck is this shit?
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Yeah, I was like, "This is Waaaaay too easy." WTF.
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I actually like easy games, I don't like GTA a lot because some of the missions in them get on my nerves to the extent that I get VERY VERY mad, which is something I don't like. That's why I was happy when I finished the GTA games but didn't replay them a lot. Bully, on the other hand, was a piece of cake for me. I liked how all of the missions were fairly easy compared to GTA and it never got on my nerves or made me mad at all. That's why I love to replay Bully every once in a while, knowing that it would be easy and that I won't regret replaying it and quit playing it. That's my opininon.
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What about the Galloway Away mission?
That was pure torture!
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^ I actually liked that one.
Mo does a real good assessment of what is wrong with video games today. These things are supposed to be fun and not frustrating. We don't want them too easy, but we don't want them too hard, either. We want these to be interesting too, with some sort of storyline, and we want to be able to carry along that storyline as we progress. We want mystery and surprises and plot twists and discoveries. Those are the games really worth replaying.
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Everyone has their good points on this topic.For starters I agree that the ending was waayy too easy. Gary was the only boss fight I won on the first try. I didn't even beat Davis on the first try!!!! As far as the sequel taking such a long time I agree with Chuck that since the release of the game there has been a huge uproar over Bullying here in the USA. When it first came out bullying was only a minor issue but now it's a very big issue and I can't help but to feel that that's one of the reasons Rockstar hasn't returned to the franchise yet. They're probably waiting for all these bullshit no bullying campaigns to disappear!
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What about the Galloway Away mission?
That was pure torture!
I didn't say Galloway Away was so easy, I did it a lot of times to complete it, but what I'm saying is: If you compare any Bully mission with GTA missions, you'll find Bully is very easy. I played 5 GTA games (III, VC, SA, LCS, VCS) before playing Bully. That's why it was too easy for me.
Also, btw, Finding Johnny Vincent was a lot harder than Galloway Away for me.
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The game is so easy that a 7 years old finished it in 4 days (a kid I baby sit for my neighbor at times) and he owned it so easly.
Bully 2 has to be as hard as any other GTA yet have an option for changing difficulty.
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They gotta make the meele combat better than GTA 5 though.
It's so exclusive towards more than 1 enemy and way too easy.
I did like the dialogue between Crabblesnitch and Jimmy though.
But why did Zoey appear in a school uniform?!
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Idk.
News go fast in bullworth? :P
Now in all seriousness its propably because R were in a rush.
You can clearly notice that chapter 5 is a total rush, due to Jack motherfucking Thompson.
I mean they had 24 hours to finish another 10% of the game, so they had to delete and do some stuff even tho it wasn't really logical.
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Jack Thompson almost ruined a great game.
He even accused Sims 2 of having genitalia which can be seen if you use a cheat to remove the censur.
This was obviously proven false and the cheat was removed in case doll-like characters without naughtyparts would be enough to tip him off.
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I did like the dialogue between Crabblesnitch and Jimmy though.
But why did Zoey appear in a school uniform?!
She must have been right there at the School Store window while Jimmy was in the office. :laugh:
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LOLOLOL!!!! Either that or she had it waiting in her closet the entire time!!
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All the missions was TOO easy for me. I thought that i had on beginner level on or something. I beated all missions in first try.
I just failed on the stealth missions and a mission for the santa to throw snowballs at the punks but they were to easy.
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The ending was meh.
What I find wrong with video games now a days is they revolve around online mulitiplayer and short 2-3 hr campaigns. No new fresh ideas, re-hashing FPS, micro-transactions etc.
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^You're thinking of COD.
GTA V revolved a lot around the storyline. Which was a bit of a surprise, since I expected R* to almost solely focus on GTA Online.
Luckily that wasn't the case. Even though I did get bored of the game instantly as I finished the storyline.
But yes, let's hope that Bully 2 won't turn out like most games that rely solely on multiplayer.
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Gary's character was kind of thrown away after the first chapter. Somehow, he announces his true colors in front of the whole school, and they still end up getting played by him. How did he pull that off?
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Gary is a sociopath. These kind of people tend to know how to manipulate and talk people into doing things that they normally wouldn't do.
Just look at how easy it was for him to convince Jimmy to attack and harass other students. He even got Russell to attack Jimmy.
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You gotta admit though....A 5 year old could have convinced Russell.
It would have been so much better off to have not revealed Gary as Jimmy's prime enemy right off the top. Gary could have continued to 'use' Jimmy and the gamer (us) would have been none the wiser. All kinds of woes could have befell Jimmy throughout the story with the cause being a mystery until the very end. Gary's fine speech on the Belltower would have had much more shock effect then, instead of wasting the surprise at the ending of the first chapter.
Not too bright on Gary's part, and I felt really let down to have that happen so early.
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I agree with that, the game probably would have been that much better had they have waited til much later on to reveal Gary's true colors, because at the end none of us were surprised but like you said if we had have found out it was Gary pulling the strings at the tail end that would have been epic!
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Yeah, it woulda been. The best mystery stories are the ones where the Villain is revealed in the end.
I understand that in Video Games, it's been standard to have a known antagonist almost from the start, where the hero has to fight and defeat them time after time until the final epic battle. But here, even this failed, since the only fight with Gary was the last fight.
About the best game I ever played was where the antagonist wasn't revealed until near the end was Martian Gothic (a PS1 game, 2001). There was a lot of clues to uncover and much mis-direction until it got figured out,
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One of my favorite's I've played where the true enemies or people you think are on your side are revealed almost towards the end of the game was Vice City. I loved how we're led to think that Vance and even Sonny are our allies but then are hit with a shocker to find out that they're not! Then again with all the hoopla Bully was getting they probably had to rush to finish it and didn't have time to have things play out accordingly or at least better than they did.
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Yeah, it seems like a rush job of sorts, though it did have an advance buildup....This board here was started about 7 months in advance of Bully's release (in North America) in 2006.
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That's pretty neat! I didn't know that. It's good to see that this place is still holding up relatively well as most fan based sites usually don't last very long! Let's hope this place is around for many more years to come!
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Even when bully 2 comes out , we still gonna have this website right guys?? :hmm:
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Sure, we'll still be here in 2023. I think.
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I will be here during the Zombie apacolypse. I promise. I will be here when im an adult. I will be here when im a old junkie.
I NEVER LEAVE BULLY BOARD!!!
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Okay so this is a touchy topic.
-First of all, Jimmy deserved to be expelled, just like the clique leaders who took part in the whole thing. After all, they were the one who got their fellow clique members to fight. Not to mention the prefects who did nothing to stop the fighting.
-Crabblesnitch couldn't have heard the whole monologue. And if he did, why doesn't he seem to mind the fact that Gary talks about how Jimmy's actions were the reason for his "reign"?
-How could he let an expelled student back solely because he pretty much beat up most of the students in his school? Not to mention giving the Headboy title to some student he's never even heard about before, after deciding that he's a genius just because he's shy. Or the fact that he re-enrolled some other student just because one of his worst students claims that she was unfairly expelled.
-And what about the fact that neither Jimmy or the Headmaster paid any mind to the fact that Gary could be dying on the ground next to them.
-Oh and the way the students, mostly clique leaders are cheering on the guy who beat them to the ground just minutes ago. And where the hell were the teachers/staff members who appear at the end?
The ending itself was disgustingly cheesy, but the Final Showdown mission was amazing.
The first time I played it, I was so sure that Jimmy was expelled for good. And the Final Showdown wasn't going to change anything. Gary's speech, as taunting as it was, had me in awe. If the game had ended realistically, Gary would've been right. No matter the outcome of their fight, he was still going to be on top, and Jimmy was still going to be expelled.
Regarding the fight itself, I don't think that it was meant to be hard, because of them^reasons, but also because:
1) Gary isn't some brute with gigantism and an impressive arsenal of wrestling moves.
2) He isn't a trained pugilist or one of the toughest kids from the wrong side of the tracks.
3) He didn't have a whole clique to back him up.
It was just a 1 on 1 in a small area. And probably the only boss battle that didn't actually change anything.
Gary had lost the moment they stepped outside on the roof and started his monologue.
P.S. I really can't figure out HOW he tied Crabblesnitch up, or if he was the one to do it at all, seeing as a few bullies were also in the building.
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-First of all, Jimmy deserved to be expelled, just like the clique leaders who took part in the whole thing. After all, they were the one who got their fellow clique members to fight. Not to mention the prefects who did nothing to stop the fighting.
Hell, they should have expelled most of the Student body.
-Crabblesnitch couldn't have heard the whole monologue. And if he did, why doesn't he seem to mind the fact that Gary talks about how Jimmy's actions were the reason for his "reign"?
Yeah, Crabblesnitch must have had "Super Hearing" to pick up that from the Bell Tower.
-How could he let an expelled student back solely because he pretty much beat up most of the students in his school? Not to mention giving the Headboy title to some student he's never even heard about before, after deciding that he's a genius just because he's shy. Or the fact that he re-enrolled some other student just because one of his worst students claims that she was unfairly expelled.
Maybe the Good Doctor was afraid Jimmy had something on him ?
-And what about the fact that neither Jimmy or the Headmaster paid any mind to the fact that Gary could be dying on the ground next to them.
That was so damn funny. Strange how Jimmy wasn't a bit injured from the fall at all.
-Oh and the way the students, mostly clique leaders are cheering on the guy who beat them to the ground just minutes ago. And where the hell were the teachers/staff members who appear at the end?
Expected, since we know they have real short memories to start with.
-I really can't figure out HOW he tied Crabblesnitch up, or if he was the one to do it at all, seeing as a few bullies were also in the building.
Perhaps right before he began climbing up that scaffolding that was there (for renovation work we had no clue about) for some unknown reason ?
These, and about a hundred other things in the game that stretched and broke believability.
But, hey, it was all in fun....Weren't it ?
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It still is, I'm still playing Bully on a daily basis. I don't think it'll ever get old, not with all the mods the community is coming up with.
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About the mods thing.
Dont count on it too much, its going slow over here.
I could propably finish Russell Mod V1.0 by next month, if my file wasn't getting corrupted by Noteped++ (According to what Mad said)
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Okay so this is a touchy topic.
The ending itself was disgustingly cheesy, but the Final Showdown mission was amazing.
I agree one hundred percent with that and with everything else you said! I always disliked the ending very much and just to point out a few more things:
- We all know half of those people would never cheer Jimmy on no matter what!
- Where the hell were all those teachers when the fighting was going on?!
- How did Zoe get there so fast and find out she was being let back into the school when Jimmy and Crabblesnitch just finished talking about in barely 30 seconds ago?
- When Jimmy and Gary fell through the skylight it was dark/ night time out side and a storm was raging in the sky(I think)! As soon as he steps foot back outside it's broad daylight and there's no storm!!!
I'm sure we could all go on but many things we're pointing out give rise to the belief that chapter 5 was rushed!!!! Hopefully if they do Bully 2 they'll allow themselves much more time to get things done and plan things out the right damn way!
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And....About that skylight. Since there's 3 floors to the school, and Crabblesnitch's office is on the second, how does that work ? Has anyone actually looked UP when in Crabby's office to see if a skylight is actually there ?
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Not while in his office I haven't but when outside If you look up towards the roof of the school no matter what chapter you're in or where you stand there is absolutely no construction work of any sort to be seen! But based on the lighting in that place it would seem to me that there is no sky light!
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The 'Skylight' seems like the same hinky 'wormhole' effect as going out the side window puts you on the back balcony. Or that falling off the North bridge only knocks Jimmy out instead of killing him.
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The 'Skylight' seems like the same hinky 'wormhole' effect as going out the side window puts you on the back balcony.
OMFG! I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it just now! :ohmy: I wonder what other screwy physics I've failed to notice after all this time!
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Ha, the first time I went out that 2nd floor window, I wondered about how I wound up on the back balcony. I just thought, at the time, that it was a glitch of some kind.
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I don't think you can actually see through the skylight inside of his office, since Bully rarely uses any form of outside-models. The only thing close to it would be the low-res background that you get a peek at whenever Jimmy leaves a certain building (like the main school).
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I admit there were some details about the ending of the game that shouldn't have been left out after you finished (personally I was hoping for Jimmy's parents to show up and see what they would have started saying. Also wanted that to be explored a little more in general), but I thought what actually happened was good. The exchange you have with Gary before the actual fight starts was what it needed to be. And as far as "Bully 2" still being a possibility, it has been said it still is a couple times over the last couple years. I of course don't know for sure, but there are rumor sites that still talk about Bully 2 being an unnamed Rockstar game coming out in 2015 or 2016. Of course that is just a rumor and the chances of it are questionable, but because of the fact that it hasn't really been thrown away completely should at least keep you from saying it is practically impossible.
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Nothing is impossible where gaming plots are concerned, but you gotta admit they didn't exactly leave the door open for a sequel.
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Nothing is impossible where gaming plots are concerned, but you gotta admit they didn't exactly leave the door open for a sequel.
Not in the most clear way they could have, no. But it's pretty obvious that there is more they could do with Hopkins. Have him be a little older, explore his relationship with his Mother and his childhood, bring in new rivals/characters that try to take him off his throne at the school before he leaves, etc. Or if they wanna leave Jimmy alone, they could easily just have you play as a character that is customizable. That would be very cool, but I still think there is much more that could be told and wrapped up about Jimmy if they choose to do it.
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Oh, no doubt ! There are so many things that could have / could be done with the game, it is absolutely intriguing. There's thousands of posts on the board here that examine those possibilities, and of things left undone. As far as we can tell, Jimmy should have at least 2 years left to go at Bullworth, which should indicate at least 2 more sequels. I think RockStar really missed the boat here by not producing any more sequels. Sure, Bully maybe didn't have all that much visibility, but then again, neither did GTA I or GTA II, yet they stuck with that franchise and hit paydirt with GTA III.
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I'm just furthering the idea that it's a possibility. The points in the story that could still be touched (among others they would come up with that haven't been mentioned), combined with them still saying "Bully 2" could happen for the past couple years means it's possible. I'm just saying all that because you made it sound like there was absolutely no chance before.
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I think that's due to discouragement. I been here over 5 years, and that was a year after Scholarship Edition came out.
At first, expectations were high, but over time all those hints just seemed like empty promises.
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Maybe, but neither of us know for sure. It's a helluva lot better than not being talked about at all, so there's always a chance.
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Yeah. that's what we're hanging on to here, by de fingernails.