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Bully Modding Section => Bully Modding => Bully Modding Archives => Topic started by: SWEGTA on October 23, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
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Lots of people have been having their posts and threads removed, as well as a few users reported.
It's time that we get things straightened out.
Now, before you say "I did nothing wrong! X did everything long by doing this!", give it up. It's in the past and the best thing to do is to move on.
You have an entire forum dedicated to one of your favourite videogames, and you're wasting time on people you don't like.
Since my last topic seem to have set a few people straight, it seems that I should make another one.
So here we go...
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Here's a simple explanation of what to do before posting:
1. Someone who has requested a lot of things previously requests something yet again.
A) Accuse them of being a leech.
B) Treat them worse because of the fact that you disagree.
C) Move on. Don't post.
i: Nothing is forcing you to post. If you haven't got anything nice or interesting to say, don't say anything at all.
2. You have a fallout with someone on the board.
A) Make a public thread, clarifying the situation to the public.
B) Move on or solve the conflict outside of the board.
C) Make snarky comments towards them.
i: The board is not dedicated to your personal beefs. Either you learn to live with them, solve them or move on.
3. Someone posts something that doesn't interest you.
A) Don't comment and move on.
B) Make a snarky comment or remark.
C) Call them a leech to prove how holier than thou you are.
i: People post because they want to connect with people across this planet. Not to get cussed at or treated badly because of how inferior they are to you.
4. Someone is harassing or being rude towards you (on the board).
A) Make a public thread, informing the public about the situation.
B) Let them know how sick you are of them.
C) Contact a moderator or staff member.
i: The staff is ALWAYS here to help you. Don't hesitate to ask for help if you feel you need it.
Let's take a look at what the community used to be in it's early days.
- Sure, it wasn't much to look at. A few HxD mods here and there. Reskins and stuff like that, but it held the community together.
Now it's all about competition. Who can release what first.
Who deserves what and when something will finally be released.
Wasn't this section originally based around tutorials, releases, questions & answers, showing off your progress, getting ideas and discussing projects?
Now we all do that privately. Xfire.
I'm not perfect. I'm far from perfect.
Leech or not, I'm not oblivious to what is going on. The community is breaking apart.
We are all dividing into groups and targeting each other and throwing accusations left and right.
People have got fed up and left.
Good people who were around for a very long time are now gone.
What can we really do?
Nothing. Either we find a way to get along or the community is doomed.
What do you guys think?
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Tragic.
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Indeed. Sad day for everyone.
But let's try to move on.
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Sorry
Sweg is right, Everything is in Xfire now. In private,
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Damn. I gotta say that's actually true.
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Skinhead
Yes, this is true.
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and I would like to see all of this change.
I would like everyone reading this topic to read this post entirely rather then skip through it just because it looks like a wall of text. This concerns the whole community as well as myself.
When I came to BB, I had a vision of a community that not only shared projects, code, ideas with one another...but a community that also stuck up for it's members and helped new members with learning the ropes no matter how annoying they would be asking the same questions over and over and over again.
I have a gut feeling that everyone has forgotten that when we ALL work together everyone wins...but when we all go do the whole "lone wolf" thing, then everyone loses.
Now...I will go on to say that there are several members that have been very upset with myself for the fact that I refuse to share the code behind the now cancelled PSMM...as far as the core code goes. That is the only rule that I broke out of the rules I have pretty much laid down as a example to everyone.
I have this feeling that just because I refused to share that core code that certain members are now deciding for themselves that this is a sign that we have to go back to hoarding all of the very best mods and sources for each of ourselves...when in fact....I only have kept this specific code away from public eye for a few simple reasons: Due to the amount of work invested in it (a few years) and how hard it was to initially locate and actually figure out, BOTH Rise and I decided that it would be best for the community to discover this code on THEIR own the same way we did and NOT take the easy route to snoop through various bits of released mods to try and get lucky discovering it the easy way. Certain other bits of code we also decided to hold back due to the fact these bits of code are still being worked on and will be included in other mods being worked on now and only for that reason those bits of code are being held back.
There is also the simple reason that Rise believes that the community "as it currently stands" does NOT deserve just being handed over that code (also the psmm mod) because of the fact that the community is starting to revert back to the way it was before I came here. People hoarding mods, refusing to publicly help others, secretly sharing things via xfire, youtube, email, pm, etc rather then publicly as I and a few others try to do. There is also the constant complaining by a LOT of members to myself via pm and xfire begging for early releases only to them, begging to be a beta tester, begging for the full sources to this or that mod because it wont be released or finished, etc.
Most of the members here (namely the newbies) have absolutely NO concept of just how difficult modding really is and the fact it is even harder for a game that has NO official modding support whatsoever and that WE have to come up with all of our own ideas, tools, code to modify a game that was never meant to be modded in the first place.
I myself have done a massive amount of work to make this game able to be modded on the scale it is today (along with a lot of work from Rise, Red, Lemon, MadHattricK, Steman, and many others) and to help rebuild the modding community into a productive and active community that works together to benefit EVERYONE since we all are fans of this old but great game.
Things also would not be possible today if not for my silent partner Fred Tetra who is the one that made it possible to mod via the lua scripts due to partially decompiling all of the scripts, rewriting a few on his own and sharing all of them with me after which I shared all of these with the core members of the Biblio-Techa Mods team and since that time, I have released a few of the scripts to get everyone started and to see if I should even bother releasing the rest of the scripts.
What I would like to see now is for everyone to take what I have said here seriously and just take a minute to think about a few things:
- What is the point of modding?
- What is the point of teamwork?
- What is the point of hoarding mods rather then sharing?
- Why all the fuss about which modder is the best?
- Is there any good reason for all of the silly arguments and fighting?
- What can be done to improve the community for youself and others?
Please ask yourself these questions and really think about them. I have been sitting back very quiet just watching and what I see I DON'T like one bit. This is starting to remind me of the gta modding community all over again. I swore to myself when I came here that I would do everything in my power to prevent this community from travelling down the same path and now I am going to step in and start making everyone really think hard about things.
Now, I do realize that a lot of our members are kids or at least still under 18 and most of those members are not mature enough to understand all of the things that are required for a community to really stand out and be great. I also know that quite a lot of members here have zero patience when it comes to waiting for mods and that is where the constant begging and all that starts from....there is a saying: "Good things come to those who wait." This saying is very true and while there is a limit of just how long someone is willing to wait for that something good....there really should be no timetable on that. All of the points mentioned here are what led Rise and I to decide to cancel the PSMM and move on to working on other mods and why Rise does not exactly have much love for the community as it is. I really honestly cannot blame him for this since I have been thinking much the same for some time now.
SWEGTA posted some very good points starting this topic out and everyone really just needs to take a step back and think long and hard about all of this and ask themselves what they can do to help make this community better. I really want my vision for this community to come to fruition and possibly have this community catch up to the gta community on size and stand above it for having the most honest and helpful members around.
I know that there are new members that have just joined and several that have joined some time back who most likely initially joined thinking they can get instant overnight fame here for releasing this or that mod...or to somehow compete with me over who is more popular, more helpful, who can release the coolest or best ever mod, who can get the most downloads on this or that released mod, who can get more followers on their youtube channel ...whatever that may be....and quite frankley that is the wrong idea to join any community.
Most new members upon joining here really honestly should instantly head over to the tutorials section (if they never modded bully before) and have a look around the existing tutorials of which we have a nice sized library so far....and try to do some of these existing mods without any help to get the feel for modding this game. This is really a must. Then after getting a feel...start experimenting with things and maybe come up with other ideas to try to create something new that has not been done...or maybe find a way to improve something that already has been done.
I see so many newbies that are completely unwilling to even attempt to learn ANY of this on their own merits and they instead prefer to make begging posts for this mod or that mod without even trying to realize that maybe the current modders are busy enough with their own projects and don't have the proper time to attend to every request that gets spammed everywhere. Constantly spamming the same requests over and over will simply just get annoying and result in either being ignored, or flamed on the forum or via pm by another member/modder and that results in the newbie pretty much rage quitting the forum and never coming back.
Are new members really THAT lazy that they would rather everyone else just pop ideas out of their minds and get them done lickety split so that the newbie can take all the credit for it? I really do wonder sometimes since I see this trend in the real world as well ...everywhere. People would rather take the shortcut instead of just hunkering down and doing things the correct way and maybe learning something new along the way.
I will also mention that I have been hounded quite a lot by new members wanting to be part of the Biblio-Techa modding team. Membership to this team is NOT a simple open position NOR is it open to just anyone that comes along asking. We carefully handpick our members that show the following qualities that we all have:
- willingness to help others
- willingness to share
- ability to work in a team environment
- friendly personality
- drive to succeed
- willingness to learn new things
- being able to take constructive criticism
- willingness to try new ideas or suggestions from another team member or community member
Unless someone meets the criteria above, we will not consider adding another member to our current roster of team members since if we were to accept someone that had a ulterior motive (there have been a few in the past that have tried this) to join us for the sole purpose of getting ahold of all the script sources that I have as well as any other code that we are working on just so that person can release everything to the community for their own benefit...then this will totally destroy the whole point of even having a team in the first place. Teams have to have structure and I have a LOT of experience when it comes to the area of teamwork and I take this stuff VERY seriously.
I know that I am not always online or always on here and that is simply due to my rather busy schedule...but I do however try to make time for my friends here and the community when I can. I have always tried to be a man of my word and be honest with everyone about everything but there are simply times when even I am unable to snap to attention when asked to. I have never tried to ask anyone here to pay me for the work I have done nor will I ever. Where some modders in other gaming communities will actually charge money for any mods that they do since they are only in it for the fame and money. I am only in it for my love of the game and my love of this great community.
I also have noticed that not everyone takes SWEGTA as seriously as they should here. He is a good staff member here who has earned the position through his hard work and I personally hand picked him to take over moderating the modding section as a way of rewarding him for how far he has come since he first came here. I would like to see new members take him a bit more seriously since he answers to the global moderators who in turn answer to myself, Chrissy and AJ as we three are the main ones that pretty much set the rules and call all the shots regarding proper attitude(s) here. We as staff are very fair in our judgements and very open to talking to anyone about any problem they might have with another member or even if their problem may be with a staff member. I wanted to pop that little point in here too since it did not look to me like many of the newer members understood the whole chain of command structure that we have here. Like myself, even tho I am in a high position here...my bosses will always be AJ and Chrissy even though we three share the same position of power here...and that is because I have a huge respect for both of them. Even though AJ does not post that often here...he does keep close watch over the forum and keeps things running and does make sure anything that is broken gets fixed when he gets the chance. Just like each of the rest of us in the staff do...we try to make sure things run smoothly on our ends and this is a prime example of teamwork.
That all being said, I would like to see everyone try to do better at helping one another out. I know that there are always going to be those that come here only for seeking attention or trying to gain some type of fame or to try and compete with a well known community member. But I honestly believe we ALL can do better here. This also goes for me too since I also have sorta slipped somewhat on a few things and have gotten a little lazy regarding certain points...but I also will be trying harder too.
Hopefully this long post makes some sense to everyone and drives the point home that I am trying to make. SWEGTA has a lot of valid concerns and I felt it best to fully elaborate on some things that have been bothering me and hopefully help steer everyone onto the proper path.
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The reason I usually help in private, is I can help the person better if they have any problems, and it helps a lot more to guide them through it. It does kind of screw anyone else who looks at the topic in the future over though.
Earlier today before even seeing this post I was thinking about this as well... maybe because of Lemon's post. I won't announce what I have planned atm yet as I don't want to disappoint anyone if I can't deliver yet but I may have something very generous coming real soon for all ya. :D
Also @MadmaN, nice post as always... not at all lacking in length. XD
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Mads posts are always long, and the content he puts into those posts is even longer.
Anything Mad says up there, I give my full support, and im sure the rest of the biblio techa modding team will too.
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So what happens next?
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Everyone "OFFICAL" Retires all the time.
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First, everyone who has any problems with anybody... you should really work those out, and doing it in private would be fine.
I don't know who has "beef" with who atm, but you know who you are. Everyone knows everyone on BB, so we need to all be friends or at least not have any problems with each other. (By everyone I mean at least everyone who is active)
Then... just... don't do all this dumb shit yo! Simple...
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Says the one who is a dick to your m8 from the day, and removes me. Becuse i'm not the same lua level as you.
Good job.
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Locked the thread until further notice.
First, everyone who has any problems with anybody... you should really work those out, and doing it in private would be fine.
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It seems there's a lot of conflict going on here. This is quite upsetting.
For the last several years I've watched as this modding community expanded and became successful. This community gained that success due to working together. The idea of going solo and breaking away is what we've wanted to avoid. Working together is what drives the progress forward. Without that, we might as well go back to square one. This type of path is what kills other communities and makes them almost intolerable. How far do you think a modding community can go if people weren't working together?
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Been watching all this play out myself.
I will say this....
It would be nice for people to step back and take a bigger overall view.
We were all babies once, and the only world we knew was our Cribs. That was our Universe.
Later on, the world we knew was expanded to our house, and our yard. We knew of nothing beyond that.
Still later, there was School World, and the world of the street where we lived. For a very long time, that was our Universe.
Teenage years brought the world of the City where we lived, and then the world of relationships with the opposite sex. Very hairy.
Upon leaving High School, the world expands so much more. Our universe is bigger, we have to work with others to effect change & progress.
We all know the Team Stars, know their names and their Stats.
The Super Teams always seem to have a Star, talented and seemingly unstoppable.
But the Star of the team can accomplish nothing without his (or her) Support System.
There would never have been a Michael Jordan without a Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman.
And they wouldn't have been successful without talented players backing them up on offense and defense.
Those 1998 NBA Champions finished Regular Season with an 88% win record, and won their 6th title that year.
Point is, no one is a real success without a Support System, and that is what teamwork is all about.
That NBA team had their individual differences, but made it their first priority to get along and work together.
And because they chose to do so, became the greatest team in Pro Basketball history.
Just some thoughts.
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I unlocked this topic so others can leave their thoughts here.
I want everyone to at least consider what has been talked about in this topic so far and leave their thoughts and see if we all can use this to our advantage and move on in a better way from this little hurdle.
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Says the one who is a dick to your m8 from the day, and removes me. Becuse i'm not the same lua level as you.
Good job.
Mick, hey buddy. I've been listening to what you've had to say, and I understand DaBoss deleted you. Gosh! That's got to be a pain in the neck. But listen, life isn't about the destination, it's about the journey! And no, you may not be able to climb that ladder to be a good modder, but you can still climb the ladder of life! And make your way back to the top! All you have to do, is Believe! :D
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
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And I know exactly why. People have taken to believe that what they're doing is so far superior to what others are doing.
I noticed that when newbies start modding in LUA, Some people say "Nice Job, Keep on moving forwards in modding, we'll help you" - Which is what I want to see. What I don't want to see is the select few people who say "This is Good, but I have a mod, slightly better called 'x' Mod, it allows you to do so and so. Maybe one day you'll get the hang of it and be able to do what I've done today" - Or something along those lines.
While I Respect everybody's opinion, you should just leave a "Well Done" or a "Nice Mod, Keep going". Just to give them a bit of encouragement. Maybe then everybody would respect each other, and we'd have a much larger, and nicer community.
I don't want this community to die, just because a few people have criticized other's mods or opinions and beliefs. Please use that amazing brain to think of nice things to say, not mods all the time. Everyone here has a good statement to make. We're all not perfect, we're all not great, but can we at least try? I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I want this to be a nice community. I want this to be a place, that when we're under stress in real life, we can come and talk about it, and the move forwards with thinking about mods and others.
Please..
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
It isn't dying...never will really unless people forget about bully entirely.
As long as I am here...there will always be activity and new things. If you check the mega-mod status thread...you will see a massive mod I am working on along with plenty of eye candy to look at.
And I know exactly why. People have taken to believe that what they're doing is so far superior to what others are doing.
I noticed that when newbies start modding in LUA, Some people say "Nice Job, Keep on moving forwards in modding, we'll help you" - Which is what I want to see. What I don't want to see is the select few people who say "This is Good, but I have a mod, slightly better called 'x' Mod, it allows you to do so and so. Maybe one day you'll get the hang of it and be able to do what I've done today" - Or something along those lines.
While I Respect everybody's opinion, you should just leave a "Well Done" or a "Nice Mod, Keep going". Just to give them a bit of encouragement. Maybe then everybody would respect each other, and we'd have a much larger, and nicer community.
I don't want this community to die, just because a few people have criticized other's mods or opinions and beliefs. Please use that amazing brain to think of nice things to say, not mods all the time. Everyone here has a good statement to make. We're all not perfect, we're all not great, but can we at least try? I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I want this to be a nice community. I want this to be a place, that when we're under stress in real life, we can come and talk about it, and the move forwards with thinking about mods and others.
Please..
This is the point I have been trying to drive home this whole time. Bout time someone else mentions this other then me all the time...rofl.
Modding is NEVER about competing over who is the best...who has the best mod...which mod is the best ever...who has more skills...etc. Modding should simply be a fun community effort by US the gamers to customize the game how WE want it to look/feel/play like and allow others to enjoy our efforts.
In regards to the whole criticism thing, I also have noticed some people ragging on other's mods/work and really....harsh criticism is never a good thing and will just royally piss off the modder that recieved that from whomever said it. Those however that can't take CONSTRUCTIVE criticism really need to step back, take a deep breath and just relax a little...maybe even walk away from things for a short while and then come back to it with a renewed look at things and renewed energy.
Modding is not a job nor will it ever be. Not unless we all form a actual company where we PAY our modders money to create the mods...etc....then they sell the mods and share with us the profits..and really, that is just messed up. Making money off of mods is something I never want to see happen here because thats just taking advantage of others and showing greed. This is kinda done in other game modding communities where the 1337 of the 1337 think they are so god like that they can charge money for the work they do when really, they are just showing their greed.
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
(http://i.imgur.com/Qt08y11.jpg)
But.. but you said to me yesterday, that it was already dead! How could you lie to me like that?
liar
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
It isn't dying...never will really unless people forget about bully entirely.
As long as I am here...there will always be activity and new things. If you check the mega-mod status thread...you will see a massive mod I am working on along with plenty of eye candy to look at.
And I know exactly why. People have taken to believe that what they're doing is so far superior to what others are doing.
I noticed that when newbies start modding in LUA, Some people say "Nice Job, Keep on moving forwards in modding, we'll help you" - Which is what I want to see. What I don't want to see is the select few people who say "This is Good, but I have a mod, slightly better called 'x' Mod, it allows you to do so and so. Maybe one day you'll get the hang of it and be able to do what I've done today" - Or something along those lines.
While I Respect everybody's opinion, you should just leave a "Well Done" or a "Nice Mod, Keep going". Just to give them a bit of encouragement. Maybe then everybody would respect each other, and we'd have a much larger, and nicer community.
I don't want this community to die, just because a few people have criticized other's mods or opinions and beliefs. Please use that amazing brain to think of nice things to say, not mods all the time. Everyone here has a good statement to make. We're all not perfect, we're all not great, but can we at least try? I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I want this to be a nice community. I want this to be a place, that when we're under stress in real life, we can come and talk about it, and the move forwards with thinking about mods and others.
Please..
This is the point I have been trying to drive home this whole time. Bout time someone else mentions this other then me all the time...rofl.
Modding is NEVER about competing over who is the best...who has the best mod...which mod is the best ever...who has more skills...etc. Modding should simply be a fun community effort by US the gamers to customize the game how WE want it to look/feel/play like and allow others to enjoy our efforts.
In regards to the whole criticism thing, I also have noticed some people ragging on other's mods/work and really....harsh criticism is never a good thing and will just royally piss off the modder that recieved that from whomever said it. Those however that can't take CONSTRUCTIVE criticism really need to step back, take a deep breath and just relax a little...maybe even walk away from things for a short while and then come back to it with a renewed look at things and renewed energy.
Modding is not a job nor will it ever be. Not unless we all form a actual company where we PAY our modders money to create the mods...etc....then they sell the mods and share with us the profits..and really, that is just messed up. Making money off of mods is something I never want to see happen here because thats just taking advantage of others and showing greed. This is kinda done in other game modding communities where the 1337 of the 1337 think they are so god like that they can charge money for the work they do when really, they are just showing their greed.
To be honest, as much as I don't mod anymore, I don't want to see it turn into a paid activity. I feel it should be something someone chooses to do, whether they release it to the community or not, Modding should be all about fun, not money, nor hate. I've been here for a good 4-5 years, member for 2. And I've watched it grow, from a small 20-30 Hex Editing Group, to a large over 200+ LUA Modding Community. When I was about 9, Watching People like Saurahb, and Governmentman, on Youtube, doing all these crazy things by modding, I thought that was like, all that could happen. Little did I know, that was only the very start, with editing the IDE and Trigger.
I don't despise anything that's happened over the years, all this time has been time well spent, with people like Mad, Fred, SWEGTA, DaBOSS and so many more, we've been able to discover LUA, we've been able to create some well crazy shit, we've been able to grow our community to thousands of users. (Even if they don't log on)
I don't want to see these people leave because of hate, or because it turned into a business, or anything.
What happened to the old times when it was a large group of people, all helping each other, all giving some amazing feedback, Like when SWEGTA was creating the Zombie Mod, or when Mad, Rise and the crew were working on the PSMM. We all gave amazing feedback, we all said "I can't wait for this, keep up the amazing work, guys!"
That was when people had respect for each other, that's when It wasn't about which group got it done first, which person could un-glitch an animation, etc.
I hope you all read this and took it into consideration. If not, I may have just lost a LOT of respect for all of you.
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
(http://i.imgur.com/Qt08y11.jpg)
But.. but you said to me yesterday, that it was already dead! How could you lie to me like that?
liar
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I meant that it is already dying, and you can't deny that it is
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I dont think "The community was destroyed before i even knew Bully existed" means that.
How could you lie to me like that?
Answer me 明日香明日香明日香
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I dont think "The community was destroyed before i even knew Bully existed" means that.
How could you lie to me like that?
Answer me 明日香明日香明日香
Well, it's not like we're friends, so lying to you could be justified
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"lying" Admit it 明日香明日香明日香 you want the comunity to be destroyed.
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The modding community seems to be dying, now
(http://i.imgur.com/Qt08y11.jpg)
But.. but you said to me yesterday, that it was already dead! How could you lie to me like that?
liar
(http://i.imgur.com/g5lG5cv.png)
I meant that it is already dying, and you can't deny that it is
You are quite negative aren't ya?
Bully modding is not 'dying' nor has it 'already been dying'. You have to look at things in a different way: A community is not unlike a family. Families have their ups and downs at times and game modding is no exception. Now...yes there ARE several modding communities that are 'dying' or already 'dead' but thing is, you have to understand that the bully community was always a small one when compared to the other communities out there.
We have gotten larger in the time I have been here, but its been slow. Things like that never happen overnight and if you do think that....then you might want to have another look at the larger picture...rofl.
Bully has what is called "cult game status" due to it's age and the fact there is a core die-hard following. So in all actuality, our community is not exactly dying.
Now, if we were originally the size of the gta community...then yeah, I would state at that stage it was dying and nearly dead.
I don't want to sound big headed or anything, but I have been around gaming and game modding communities longer then probably everyone on this forum with the exception of possibly Chuck, and I can state that I know the signs when a community starts actually dying.
Most of our audience atm is kids and late teens due to the subject matter of the game, which is centered around the school life and centers around bullying or not bullying in school in order to complete your objectives. Not a huge amount of adults would really be into this style game and there is also the fact that most kids in today's generation have rather short attention spans when it comes to games. Most are already ready for the next greatest most uber game ever to hit the market and once that happens...most usually just drop whatever game they are playing now and play that, never to play the older game again except occasionally when very bored. Most have this throw it away mentality on games if the game is older then a year....it is considered a dinosaur and should be avoided for the next uber game with uber fantastic graphics...rofl.
I am a old school gamer and as such, I tend to play a single game for many many years before I actually get bored with it. Hell, I was still playing AND still modding the original Doom and Doom II up until about a year before the fire took my home about.....4 years ago I think it was now....time kinda flies anymore....as that was the very first game I really truely modded. I also had created quite a lot of modding tools FOR that game and was among the forerunners of the great modders that really started the whole game modding craze back then.
So in retrospect, I know quite a lot more about this and trust me....the community here is NOT dying nor will it be anytime soon. It just has its slow periods and then starts getting more attention....then slows down again. This is the same for many things in life and I will impart a little advice to ya that you may want to take seriously and not just think that I am some long winded bullshitter that acts like he knows everything (no-one does)..... A person that honestly believes that they are going to die tomorrow will find some way to make it happen, even unconciously. A person that honestly believes that they are going to be successful tomorrow will find some way to make it happen.
If you honestly believe that the community here is dying and/or dead, then it will always be that in YOUR eyes and nothing will ever change it. If you honestly believe taht the community here is still alive and just going a little slow, then that is how it will be and eventually things DO get better.
I know that you know next to nothing about me, but everyone here that knows me well will tell you that I NEVER give up on anything. Sure I MIGHT talk about it now and then but in the end, I never do. This community is the same for me since while yes...there were several 'modders' that came before me...before lua...before really anything was known about the game files....back when things were secretly traded on youtube channels, at the same time...when I came here I basicly took charge of everything due to my own past experience with several communities....the gta community being one of them as I was among the first modders for vice city AND san andreas, I for the most part created the modding community that exists today for Bully. Many people here will back this up too.
To me....this community is NOT about the modding...but it is actually about the solid friendships we all have made here. The modding is just an added bonus and if you don't agree with anything I have said...then that is simply your own honest opinion and your right to say or believe in.
All I do anymore is just try to set a positive example for everyone here to follow and maybe even be considered something of a role model to some of the younger group to show just what can be achieved through hard work and determination. 8)
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"lying" Admit it 明日香明日香明日香 you want the comunity to be destroyed.
I don't want it, since it's one of the only online communities I'm really a part of
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mmmokay, Im sorry i had this fight with you in this topic. I should done it privatley.
Sorry everyone.
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I dont think "The community was destroyed before i even knew Bully existed" means that.
How could you lie to me like that?
Answer me 明日香明日香明日香
I dont think "The community was destroyed before i even knew Bully existed" means that.
How could you lie to me like that?
Answer me 明日香明日香明日香
Well, it's not like we're friends, so lying to you could be justified
I am going to ask that both of you to PLEASE not argue here or try to start a flame war. If you must argue...then maybe it would be best to do so AWAY from BB since I do also have a job here of trying to keep the peace. Other then AJ I am currently the only active admin who can be here every day and I really don't want to have to spend all of my time diffusing arguments that are plain silly. They never solve anything and just create even more tension between the two or more people involved in arguing...and eventually spreads over to everyone else.
Just asking nicely here. :blank:
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mmmokay, Im sorry i had this fight with you in this topic. I should done it privatley.
Sorry everyone.
Apology accepted M8. :)
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:)
Actually this is a topic about the community dieing but. Anyway
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Calm down, Mick. :neen:
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I am not on much but I guess I'll add my two cents to the discussion. When I started their were plenty of mods to look threw at the downloads section plenty that I liked. Modding was never supposed to be about who is better or who can make a already made mod look better then the next one. As for me and Reath we both created mission mods I studied from him onto making my mod which is a nice mod overall but can still be improved in some areas which I already did. I don't think my mod is better then his nor does he think his mod is better than mine it is all about what we can work on together and what team work really creates.
From team work my first custom mission mod was created. Instead of trying to make some strafe look better than the next boring strafe mod try doing some team work and making a custom style or some sort of thing. All I see here now when I come to the community is the same boring mods not to bash peoples mods as I respect they make them and it looks nice but instead of showing it off release how you created it. I will release a source code for my mission mod since others asked for it and I understand why.
I understand where not releasing mega mod source codes because you don't want leechers to steal and take credit. At least try to release a little code from time to time. I hope to see a better community one day where everyone can share codes freely and try to help others. I started from learning from Reath into making more mods from that. He wasn't trying to keep the codes for himself he gave me a code to begin with and let me put in codes by myself kind of like a teacher and student type of relationship. Students can't try to be teachers as to teach you must no more than the teacher kind of like a good fighter teaching a non skilled fighter but the non skilled fighter develops a big ego and thinks he can beat everyone which is same here at this community. A non skilled or starting modder creates a good mod then thinks they can beat the other modding members in creating something better.
Please don't take this the wrong way as I want to see everyone succeed but some people need to learn that they aren't the best. A teacher will always be better than a student, until that student learns everything a teacher knows and can teach others then that student is still a student. Life is about succeeding over your successor in a way that is to help the teacher not try to become the teacher and think your better or more skilled. That is what can get you hurt, thinking your better than everyone until someone says other wise will get you hurt mentally and sometimes physically. It is better to think your almost close to or coming close to your successor instead of thinking your better.
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I see so many newbies that are completely unwilling to even attempt to learn ANY of this on their own merits
Based on past experience I can't really blame them. I noticed a problem years ago where the modding community speaks in jargon and makes assumptions that newbies can automatically understand what the hell they're trying to say and getting frustrated when newbies can't understand what to do or what they did wrong. It was no wonder to me why newbies much rather take the easy way and have others do X for them. Yeah, it's not the "right" thing to do but I can completely understand it...
I've avoided this section for years so I haven't any clue if the above as improved or stayed the same (or worsened). But I can say that this section does leak into other parts of the site and it's very annoying to see "who is the best modder??", bragging about being good or better than others and big-headedness in general. Having an ego and acting like a douche makes me (and others I'm sure) shy away from modding (and for me, the site as a whole). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't have much else to say since as mentioned I don't hang around here (I don't mod) but I do know that this section used to be about helping people out and sharing discoveries and NOT being a giant, stupid, petty competition. :euro:
I do realize that a lot of our members are kids or at least still under 18 and most of those members are not mature enough to understand all of the things that are required for a community to really stand out and be great.
The age/maturity remark bugs me for some reason. Maybe because those are skills that many should have been taught or known about early on in one's life?
Apparently people don't know though...
... gonna echo what's already been said: go read Madman's posts as he has very good points and please actually make an effort to make a change. :)
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mmmokay, Im sorry i had this fight with you in this topic. I should done it privatley.
Sorry everyone.
It's okay, Mick.
We all lash out at times, but if shit hits the fan then try to play the more mature part. It often works out better that way.